At a meeting of ‘Jawatankuasa Pakar Rujuk Bahasa Kadazandusun’ held on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at Kota Kinabalu, the Beginner’s Kadazandusun Dictionary authored by Rita Lasimbang of Kadazandusun Language Foundation, was tabled for discussion.
As a member of the Committee I took the opportunity to propose a correction on page 14 of the Dictionary wherein the term ‘Kadazandusun’ is printed and classified as one of the ethnic races in the Dictionary. The two indigenous ethnic races of ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’ have been conspicuously omitted, meaning, they are not found in Sabah.
Being a Kadazan, I felt sad and took this opportunity to make the correction to include both ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’ races to replace the term ‘Kadazandusun’.
As we are all aware, Dictionary is a book of reference and a source of information to the readers and end users. And if we allow this glaring mistake to remain uncorrected it would be taken at face value as the truth. The readers, learners or end users of the Dictionary are misled to believe that there are no such ethnic races of ‘Kadazan’ or ‘Dusun’.
My proposal to correct the anomaly was met with objection from two Kadazan people. I find it absurd and was dumbfounded when they defended the term ‘Kadazandusun’ to remain intact as a race.
When posed with a question as to which race they belong to, given the fact that ‘Kadazandusun’ is not a race, they were silent for a moment. One of them, however, admitted that his race as registered in his birth certificate is ‘Kadazan’. As a fellow Kadazan, I felt dishonoured when he denied his own racial identity.
He gave his unqualified argument that the term ‘Kadazandusun’ will evolve slowly through the passage of time and thus will eventually be accepted or adopted as a race. I totally disagreed with his conjecture in this respect.
I would like to quote the late Tun Fuad Stephen’s statement which appeared in the Kinabalu Sunday Times on February 19, 1967 and reprinted in the Daily Express on Sunday, March 22, 2009:
“Another thing is the question of Kadazan and Dusun. The important thing is that we are one people; in our great desire to unite people in Colonial days some of us went to extremes and tried to force others to accept one name, Kadazan.
“This has only caused misunderstanding and even mistrust among some of us.
“We are more matured now and see clearly that the name should be left to us to choose, if we prefer to be called Kadazans, that is what we are and if we prefer to be called Dusuns that is what we should be remembering always that whatever name we prefer to go by, we are the same people.”
"Tun Fuad’s statement has been the hallmark and the guiding principle that KSS has been elucidating in its attempt to dispel the term ‘Kadazandusun’ to connote as a race," Datuk Marcel added.
It is beyond anybody’s comprehension that ‘Kadazandusun’ would eventually evolve as a race at the expense of ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’ races to disappear.
We may think this is absurd but it will disappear eventually if we leave it unchecked. How can we be so irresponsible as to delete the very existence of our own ethnic races? In fact we have now learnt that the person, who objected to my proposal, has been one of the initiators of the term ‘Kadazandusun’, and hence he has therefore vehemently defended the said term in the Dictionary.
As a Life Member of Kadazan Society Sabah of which I am the Deputy President, will strongly defend the existence of my ethnic race. In no way will I allow my Kadazan race be erased or deleted. It is my ethnic identity and I am proud to be identified as such.
It would be interesting to know how the Dusun community feels about their ethnic race being erased. Are they prepared to loose their own identity?
By right, we should all be defending and preserving our own identities and should not be easily influenced by people who may have their own personal agendas to suit their ends.
I believe many people have read the Beginner’s Kadazandusun Dictionary but none have commented it deserves. If we do not correct the anomaly now it would mean that we are accepting and condoning the incorrect term ‘Kadazandusun’ as an indigenous race in Sabah. If this is not corrected now then the Kadazans and Dusuns will eventually loose their identities. These two indigenous ethnic races are endangered of being wiped out from the face of the earth!
It is for this reason that I have to bring this issue out in the open for debate on why we should discontinue the use of the term ‘Kadazandusun’ as an ethnic race.
As what Tan Sri Herman Luping has written in his book titled “THE KADAZANDUSUN”, it is only a tag line to refer the Kadazans and Dusuns as a group. On the same token the tag line for Hakka, Hokkien, Cantonese, etc, is Chinese and not as an ethnic race.
Even YB Datuk Masidi Manjun who is a Dusun from Ranau, has concurred with the statement made by KSS President that the term ‘Kadazandusun’ is not a race. “The term ‘Kadazandusun’ or ‘KDM’ is only for political grouping”, Datuk Masidi said. 
Datuk Seri Panglima Bongkos Malakun, the Deputy President of KDCA also said, “The term ‘Kadazandusun’ is not an indigenous ethnic race per se in Sabah.”
“We should either be Kadazan or Dusun depending on one’s own preference. We should respect those who wish to be known as Dusun just as we expect others to respect our preference to be known as Kadazan,” Malakun added.
Since race is a sensitive issue we, the Kadazan and Dusun peoples, should debate on this matter to seriously defend our respective races, while the term ‘Kadazandusun’ should only be used as a tag line to identify both the Kadazans and Dusuns as a group of people.
You are encouraged to use this forum to write your comments, or write to me at sjdisimon@gmail.com.
Sylvester J. Disimon
Deputy President,
Kadazan Society Sabah.
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I FOR ONE TOTALLY AGREED WITH STRONG CONVICTION THAT indeed KADAZANDUSAN is NOT a race. RACE is not supposed to be created,but born. Meaning when I was born, my race was already determined by my parents, and sanctioned by Government Department, and up to now,I AM A KADAZAN. Believe me, check with Registration Dept. my race is still intact, no changes, NONE AT ALL. You can change anything (eg. name of a country, like Bombay-Mumbai, Ceylon-Sri Lanka, Api Api-Jesselton-KK.This is possible, because through time and development process.) But race must not be changed at all cost. IT IS "SACRED" and must not be questioned but be PRESERVED.FE.
ReplyDeleteThe only agenda behind this subject i.e. to promote Kadazandusun as a race is essentially to unite this two ethnic tribes, who long ago was hunting each other heads.
ReplyDeleteThe Penampang " Kadazan " used to mock me as the Dusun Tagahaas< and they were enjoying laughing and making fun of the Tagahaas. I and my other DUsuns were proud of the name because according the folklore it was Tagahaas the victor for having collected the highest number of head from the Tanggara tribe.
The Dusuns of Tambunan produces the First Phd holder, the late Dtk. James Ongkilly, the First Chief Minister of Sabah, Dtk.Seri JPK and in fact there were so many first, but the Dusuns of Tambunan unlike other remain humble the same attitude that I reflected to the Kadazans who had mocked us.
Gone are days and as planned by the Creator, the Dusuns and Kadazans are mordernied through the Christians Missionary and their rivalries of gone by sooner disapeared. Do we want to continue at ' war path' like the old days. Surely not, no sensible persons would do it. Unless the only agenda by those promoting the "Kadazan' as a race is to disunite the Kadazan and Dusuns.
The fact remains that Kadazan is a race and Dusun is also a race, what it so wrong if this two name are united as KadazanDusun. By right the name should be changed to 'DusunKadazan" simply because the Dusuns are the majority( you cannot deny this fact). Then if this is the case, surely the Kadazans will make a big outcry. So let us be sensible and not to be carried away by emotions, emotions that will bring about our own destructions and become a laughing stock of the other races in Sabah and Malaysia in general.
Dtk.Clement Jaikul
If Datuk Clement Jaikul is proud of his Dusun's race, I see no reason why he should not agree with me to include "Dusun" as a race in the said Dictionary.
ReplyDeleteIn Papar up to the early 1960s many of the present day Kadazans referred to themselves as Dusuns. When the term Kadazan became popular, the Dusuns of Papar were divided between Kadazans and Dusuns. Some of the older generation like my wife's grand uncle prefers the term Dusun. Mr.Disimon, I think it is everyone's right to be called what they want. If they want to be called Kadazans, call them Kadazans. If they prefer Dusun, then call them Dusuns. But there are some who prefer to be called Kadazandusun, and it would be double-standard if we deny them the right that we ourselves fight for. My wife prefers the term Kadazandusun as her father is a Paparian and her mother is a Kimaragang.
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous February 1, 2020 11:56.
ReplyDeletePoint taken. Check with your wife's birth certificate whether her race is registered as Kadazan or Dusun or Kadazandusun. I would like to hear from you.
it is nonsense to turn Kadazandusun as a race.. tomorrow there will be Kadazandusunbajau, Dusuntimurbugis, Bajaudusunkadazanindia, etc.. what it will be.. this is an atempt to record a history with an intention to unite races and carving name in it (history).. but one has it topic error... plenty of arguement..
ReplyDeleteexaggerations was the urges I believed, during the rise of PBS, but lest not touch the races.. it is our pride, symbol, root and the only identification. dont take this topic to unite this 2 races, there is a lot of ways that we can do to unite the Kadazan and Dusun, to singularize it in fact creating even a big issue as we see it now..
I concur with SJD and the other commentator except for Dtk Clement Jaikul and the other Anonymous on this issue.
ReplyDeleteI am a Dusun and I am proud to be one. Why dilute my dialect name by making Kadazandusun? Who was the crazy guy who thought of this in the first place? And by the way, what unity? Are we not already United as Sabahans? Very Very strange to create a new race.
By the way, SJD, I was born in 1966 and my Mum and late dad's Race is stated as Kadazan and Dusun. I lived a good part of my life at Ranau coz dad was a Information officer. Considered myself a Dusun because of my boros. I am now married to a Sino-Kadazan from Papar and our youngest child 1 year old this month is listed as Dusun. Registered her last year and was given the option of either a Dusun or Kadazan. I chose Dusun as we still live in Ranau. My elder child speaks Dusun fluently and God Knows we are struggling with the Kadazandusun language syllabus at School!!!
Anyways, yoru article on Tun Fuad's statement only confirms that we should be called what we want to be called. I am pretty certain that there is no Kadazandusun in the list of the NRD. But maybe Dtk Clement Jaikul knows better, I guess. Will check with my sister at NRD Putrajaya if such a race is registered in their list.
Great works Mr. SJD. Kotoluadan.
Kopivosian.
ReplyDeleteThe late Tun Fuad's Statement which was reproduced on the 22nd March 2009 only says it all.
What else can we say? Other then, why "Kadazandusun"? Why not call ourselves Kadazans or Dusuns? By the way, I noted from your blogs attachment, on the Dictionary proposed by KLF, Why is Murut, the Lotuds and the the Rungus a "Race" of its own and the "Kadazandusuns" fused into one? Is that Unity? or is that a political ploy to save the two names .... "United Pasok Kadazandusuns Organisation" Version 2 and KDCA (Kadazandusuns Cultural Organisation) also version 2. Both version 2 as all post original UPKO and KCA. The founders of UPKO and KCA Original had something to do with the late Tun Fuad and the Founders of KCA and UPKO Version 2 being Pairin and Bernard Dompok. Very very strange indeed. At least Tun Fuad had the guts to admit the mistake of forcing the word/racial classifaction of Kadazans on the Dusuns and others.
Would Pairin and Dompok ever realise this? or will they and their spindoctors pursue to create this new race which they have profoundly declared as "Kadazandusuns".
Common lar... be real man. Enough already. Just get Bernard Dompok and Pairin and retire them as they should enjoy their pensions (which by the way is paid by the people of Malaysia). Let them enjoy whatever they have and stop this nonsense of creating a legacy of theirs vis a vis "Kadazandusuns". Tun Fuad for all critism that has been said of him, was a "Man" who had the guts to admit that it was wrong to impose Kadazans on the Dusuns.
Meanwhile, I have never heard of a problem between the Kadazans and the Dusuns. But definately heard of the political problems between the late Mark Koding and Pairin and others. Really whatever disunity was their own political survival and of course some of those who needed them for their monetary and business survival. So to say that there was bad blood, it was a political bad blood rather as opposed to racial bad blood.
Be with the times man. There was never any racial problems just politics and bigotary problems by people who were never taught manners.
Mr. Datuk Clement Jaikul, I symphatise on the jeerings and innuendoes you suffered. But really those buggers who laughed at you were more "Kulang Ajal" or "Racially Challenged" and does not represent the Kadazans or people in Penampang. I am certain as you are always in Penampang. So no bigotary here just kulang ajal buggers who do not represent the Penampang people.
So my vote is for Kadazan and Dusuns to be recognised a Race and Dialect which we must defend and preserve for all enternity. What is a race without its language?
KenJay
Hi Gundohing:
ReplyDeleteI probably speak for some of you who are the in-betweens. Let me explain.
My father lived in Inanam and his boros is Dusun; my mother is from Tunon, obviously a Kadazan-Tanggara. They wed at St.Micheal in 1955. Living in Inanam but always close-knit with relatives from Tunon and Dabak, we, the siblings, can speak Inanam-Dusun and Tanggara dialects equally good. My birth cert list me as Kadazan but some of my siblings are put down as Dusuns (put it down to the different clerks at the Registar).
As far as I know all of us siblings are happy to be referred to as Kadazans, and we take no offence when called Dusuns.
I used to ber married to a Tenghilan Dusun (God bless her soul), and now I am married to a lovely Kadazan lady from Kg. Hungab.
Am I taking a cop-out stand? No, I am honoured to be identified with both races/tribes. Having said that, saying that Kadazandusun, and heavens forbid, Kadazandusunmurut (KDM) is a race is not right. Just the spelling, subsuming the "dusun" and "murut", is offensive.
Kotohuadan...
Gundohing Mamai Sylvester.
ReplyDeletePlease keep up the good article. I cannot imagine had these 'people' (if they are fit to be called that in the first place) had their way. They would probably have a race called "Kadazandusunmurutrungus non exhaustive" all of which would be a mouthful to say.
I whole heartedly agree with what Gundohing Rayner S. Galid wrote "...subsuming the "dusun" and "murut" is offensive. It is so offensive and a inconceivable that these people have took upon themselves as the "decider" (no pun to Ex President George W. Bush) of our community. Did we ever give them the right? I wonder who these people are?
I am appalled that we have these 'people' around in Sabah. As I said earlier who the #Xc& gave them the right to change my race from Kadazan to Kadazandusun. Or why do they want to subsume the "Dusuns" into a subname after the word "Kadazan"..... I hope these are not Kadazan people. It would be worst though if they were Dusuns, because why and what freaking reasons do they have to subsume the "Dusuns" after the word "Kadazans"!!!!
Can it be "money" and "political survival" as written by Kenenth J. I cannot fathom.
Whatever you call our community, Kadazan or Dusun, we are one and the same. To "kahwin it" into a generic name like the despicable fusion of "kadazandusun" only shows how shallow these people are. Worst as Datuk Clement Jaikul, wrote, does not reflect the true makeup of Sabah. It should if I was as "Mad" as these people be "Dusunkadazans"!!!! But again that is if I am only utterly obscenely "Mad" or "Mulau" like them.
It should always be Orang Sabah berbangsa "Kadazan" atau "Dusun". If the Muruts can have it their way as a distinct race, why not we?
So to sum up, let us gather our sensibility and stop being tools for the benefit of these obscenely and deranged poeple, who are only out to serve their political masters whom have like what was written in the comments, have long overstayed their political life. Cukup sudah bah ..... Pigi lar.... in some countries espcially the old days these politicians would have been spat at and worst outcast from their land.
Gundohing Sylvester, please fight on sir and justice will indeed prevail over this obscene acts being committed by these deranged and sick really really sick people. Be proud to be a Dusun, and be Proud to be a Kadazan.
No to "Kadazandusun".....
Siou
to the light of day.
Thank Siou, I will disclose the names of those people if they do not identify themselves by posting their comments to defend their actions for defending and retaining the term 'Kadazandusun' in the Dictionary.
ReplyDeleteHere we go again!
ReplyDeleteThis chicken and egg debate resurface again anyway I also want to give my piece here.
There is no such thing as Dusuns, Kadazans and other ethnic until the Christian missionary and the British colonial came and educate us in the late 1880s.
Things changed especially politics came to the picture when the British North Borneo was invited by Malaya to formed the new country called Malaysia somewhere in 1960 or 1961.
I think you people know the history of the friction between the Kadazans and the Dusuns which started in 1961 in the then Jesselton Community Centre until the rise of the Dusun nationalism in the PBS era 1985 to 1994.
As what CBM said "Compromise", the term KCA was transformed to KDCA in 1989 and the rest was history. I wonder what is CBM's race stated in his Birth Certificate. I heard his race is Dusun and there are copies available.
And now we are in the 21st Century year 2010 we are still wrangling in this issue. Why? So what if the KLF said the Kadazandusun is one of the ethnic race. Maybe they have the justification.
Like the others, I agree that if you are happy to be Kadazans, Dusuns, Kadazandusuns, and others so be it. The late Tun Fuad has learned his lesson that nobody can go to the extreme.
We should compromise because if the term Kadazandusun is fit to the present time where it can unite the two biggest ethnic tribe the Kadazan Tangara and Dusun Bunduliwan well United we stand, Divided we fall.
I think this Kadazan v Dusun and now v Kadazandusun should put to rest and we must move forward. We are far, far behind in our education, employment, business, communication technology and many many more than the other race like the Malay, Chinese, Indian and Iban/Dayak.
Our situation now is just like the "Boiled-frog syndrome".
Reply from Datuk Clement Jaikul:
ReplyDeleteI was asked whether the name " Dusun ' is to be included in the Dictionary. I am proud and all the Dusuns in Sabah are proud of their heritage. In fact the word ' Dusun ' is not something new in the Malay dictionary. Back in 1882 the first Governor of British NOrth Borneo Mr. William Hood Treacher had mentioned the name ' Dusun' when writting a special report to the Chartered Company Board of Directors baed in London. The British then already recognised the ' Dusun' as the predominant race in North Borneo. This historic event must be passed to the new generations, and for that no reason why the name "Dusun' is to be omitted from the dictionary.. If one would stick to the fact of the subject in question, I dont see any confusion.
The question seems to me is whether " Kadazandusun' is acceptable or not as a race. Every one has his own say and opinion, so may I suggest that a ' gallup poll ' be carried out and let us (Dusun and Kadazan) decide once for all.
Dtk. Clement Jaikul
Why do this? KADAZANs and DUSUNs is totally TWO different race. Enough said! I'm a Kadazan and never was a KADAZANDUSUN. Why coin them together?
ReplyDeleteThanks for asking Mr.Disimon. My wife's birth certificate states her parents' race as Dusuns. Her race on my children's birth certificate is Kadazan. And she prefers to be known as Kadazandusun. As for those who fight to retain Kadazan and Dusun as two separate entities, I support them. But let not this burst into an all out "war", after all Kadazans and Dusuns are all Momoguns. By the way, I was made aware that there are some indigenous people in Sarawak who are against the term Dayak and would prefer to be called as Ibans, Bidayuhs, Kelabits, Kenyahs, Kayans and so on. This was reported in the Daily Express not very long ago. So, this problem is not unique to Sabah. Funnily this problem does not arise in Brunei and Indonesian Borneo.
ReplyDeleteMy brothers and sisters, there is no such race as Kadazandusun! We are either Kadazans or Dusuns. We can check with JPN and confirm that no such race exists. Neither one of us want to lose our identity. We should never allow this to happen. The term is coined by politicians. They try to manipulate all of us for their own gain.
ReplyDeleteThe creation of a new language(kadazandusun) which is totally different from kadazan & even dusun language would definitely confuse not only our people but in fact will give a new identity for those who wish to be included into this new kadazandusun race...and worst still its gonna be taught in the school curriculum...i wouldnt be surprised that one day the PTI will be the Kadazandusun once they hav their paperwork sorted out....think about that...tontolu is known as monday...hmmm...very sad indeed..
When a kadazan reads the KADUS Textbook, the kadazan get confused.
When a dusun reads the KADUS Textbook, the dusun oso get confused.
What good does it brings?
My nina said 'avasi kadazan nuh...ingkaa noh...mositi apandai moboos do boos tokou'...but then how come i dont understand KADAZANDUSUN language taught in school?I cant even comprehend year 3 punya level.
It does give me the creep.... Kadazan kids x minat to learn dis language coz it sounds different from what they learn from their elders.
Dusun kids pun x minat, same reason.
The only ones yang minat, yep...i guess...the PTI's...
Ada kawan sia sakap :
Sia ajar bah anak sia sakap pelbagai bahasa...dia pandai sakap byk language skrg bah...BI buli, BM buli, Sina buli,Kadazan pun buli...tapi inda cun la kadazan and sina dia...(tapi kadazan sia...terer kama)
sia bsyukur juga daa ada bahasa kadus kana ajar di sikul...sia pikir..bagus o...tapi...bila sia tingu itu buku....eiikkk...macam lain...sia sindiri pun inda paham...terus sia inda pandai ajar anak sia..
om skrg, anak sia bilang 'ko bukan kadazan ni pa,lain yang ko ajar sama sigu sia ajar di sikul..kalu sia ikut yang papa ajar, fail sia di sikul tu pa.'...
macamana gia tu?
When we want to teach a language, teach it properly...kalu mau blajar bahasa murut, original murut la..kalu mau blajar bahasa kadazan, bahasa kadazan la...kalu mau blajar bahasa dusun, bahasa dusun lah..
it does not matter la by the end of the day, we discover ada persamaan..itu bonus la...
jangan la sampur2 sampai native speaker of each language pun inda paham...
As it is today, the language they are teaching in school is already confusing to school children. They talk about preserving our mother tongue. Whose mother tongue are they preserving when the language being taught in school is alien to Kadazans and Dusuns! I think the best and only way to stop the whole nonsense is to not allow our children to take the subject. No students mean no classes / lessons. In the long run, the whole subject / syllabus would be stopped, which I think is better than the subject being taught at all! Stop the rot now.
LJK/BJ/AM
okay okay, let us get this right? There are people who wants to change the race term "Kadazan" and "Dusun" into "Kadazandusun"?
ReplyDeleteI am a Kadazan, so I not agreeing nor permitting this. I wholly disgaree with this term "Kadazandusun". SO WHAT THE HELL ARE WE GONNA DO? Are the proponents of this "Kadazandusun" gonna say, who the hell am I to say no? or are they gonna go and say, the "Majority" rule? When will we know that it is the choice of the "Majority".
We will end up to be the first race in the world to be unsure of our race? So much that we need to rename our race into something unnatural in as far I am concerned.
First the word "Allah" now "Kadazan" and "Dusun" to become "Kadazandusun"!!!!!
Who the hell are these people??????
Have they been given the mandate to change my race? I do not recall anyone stating in any manisfesto that they will change our race nor have I ever voted or empowered anyone to change my race.
If the people who wants to change my race wants to and insists to, please tell them to leave me and my family out of it. I will remain to be a Kadazan and my cousin by marriage at Tuaran will remain to be Dusun Lotud. FYI, I skyped them up minutes ago and they agreed with me that they want to stay on as "Dusun Lotud". We are all in our late 20's and I am gonna be 28 tommorow here in SunTech City!!!!! :)
So NRD, please record me, John S. M, of Papar (will provide our IC and Statutory Declaration-when the time comes for NRD to attempt to make me "Kadazandusun") wishes to remain as I was known when I was born and that is a "KADAZAN". My cousins whom I shall also bring before a Commissioner for Oaths will also affirm an Statutory Declaration to remain as a "DUSUN LOTUD". This is even if we remain only a handful.
Aau zikoi kotoimoo dii cadangan doh popodahin id ngaan do Kadazan kumaa do Kadazandusun.
Kounsikaan om Kotohuadan oi Gundohing Sylvester Disimond.
John (Singapore-SKG Prod)
My brothers and sisters, there is no such race as Kadazandusun! We are either Kadazans or Dusuns. We can check with JPN and confirm that no such race exists. Neither one of us want to lose our identity. We should never allow this to happen. The term is coined by politicians. They try to manipulate all of us for their own gain.
ReplyDeleteThe creation of a new language(kadazandusun) which is totally different from kadazan & even dusun language would definitely confuse not only our people but in fact will give a new identity for those who wish to be included into this new kadazandusun race...and worst still its gonna be taught in the school curriculum.
I wouldnt be surprised that one day the PTI will be the Kadazandusun once they have their paperwork sorted out....think about that...’tontolu’ is known as Monday...hmmm...very sad indeed. (Pls refer to this link http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/10/weekdays-in-bunduliwan-dialect.html
When a Kadazan reads the KADUS Textbook, the Kadazan gets confused. When a Dusun reads the KADUS Textbook, the Dusun also gets confused. What good does it bring?
My Nina said 'avasi kadazan nuh...ingkaa noh...mositi apandai moboos do boos tokou'...but then how come I dont understand KADAZANDUSUN language taught in school? I cant even comprehend year 3 punya level.
It does give me the creep.... Kadazan kids x minat to learn dis language coz it sounds different from what they learn from their elders.
Dusun kids pun x minat, same reason. The only ones yang minat, yep...i guess...the PTI's...
Ada kawan sia sakap : Sia ajar bah anak sia sakap pelbagai bahasa...dia pandai sakap byk language skrg bah...BI buli, BM buli, Sina buli,Kadazan pun buli...tapi inda cun la kadazan and sina dia...(tapi kadazan sia...terer kama)
Sia bsyukur juga daa ada bahasa kadus kana ajar di sikul...sia pikir..bagus o...tapi...bila sia tingu itu buku....eiikkk...macam lain...sia sindiri pun inda paham...terus sia inda pandai ajar anak sia..
om skrg, anak sia bilang 'ko bukan kadazan ni pa,lain yang ko ajar sama sigu sia ajar di sikul..kalu sia ikut yang papa ajar, fail sia di sikul tu pa.'...macamana gia tu?
When we want to teach a language, teach it properly...kalu mau blajar bahasa murut, original murut la..kalu mau blajar bahasa kadazan, bahasa kadazan la...kalu mau blajar bahasa dusun, bahasa dusun lah..
It does not matter la by the end of the day, we discover ada persamaan..itu bonus la...jangan la sampur2 sampai native speaker of each language pun inda paham...
As it is today, the language they are teaching in school is already confusing to school children. They talk about preserving our mother tongue. Whose mother tongue are they preserving when the language being taught in school is alien to Kadazans and Dusuns!
I think the best and only way to stop the whole nonsense is to not allow our children to take the subject. No students mean no classes / lessons. In the long run, the whole subject / syllabus would be stopped, which I think is better than the subject being taught at all! Stop the rot now.
LJK/BJ/AM
I for one am not ashamed to be called a Dusun. So what. We just ignore those people who wants to make us Dusuns even more marginalised by making our race Dusun to be after the Kadazan peoples' race.
ReplyDeleteShit man. If only I knew of this earlier.....if true, I will call them traitors to their own kind. What more if they were Dusuns, who cannot let go of the fact that they are and in fact probably have achieved more than the Kadazans. Why must the Dusun come in Second or why must the Dusun name be obliterated into Kadazandusun.
Mr. Disimon, can you explain why there is a movement to change the race identity of the Dusuns and the Kadazans? I really have not heard of it. Is KSS and USDA failing in its objectives to protect the race name Dusuns and Kadazans?
Please clarify.
RE: TIME TO END DISCORD OVER LABEL FOR GOOD
ReplyDeleteFrom the very beginning the Kadazans and the Dusuns have been "quarelling" over the label for their identity.
There has already a lot of discussion on the subject even before Malaysia was formed, and after the formation of Malaysia, leaders continued discussing the matter until the present day.
I think its's time for us to move on. Let's just agree that everybody can call themselves what they like to be called.
Let's just agree that everybody can call themselves what they like to be called. Leave it to the people. Let's not talk about it. Let the people decide what they want. Call what you like, you can call yourself a Dusun, you can call yourself a Kadazan, because its's never-ending.
The community should really looking at how they can improve politically, socially and economically, rather than going on lengthy debates. I am not saying here that there are no merits; there are merits on all sides. There are thing that nobody can be wrong and nobody can be right all the way. There will never be a final answer to this. It will go on and on.
What we really want the Kadazans and the Dusuns to be seen as-being successful in their professions and undertaking, in commerce and industry for instance. I think that is where we like our people to be portrayed.
The crux of the problem started when the late Datuk M Koding left PBS and formed AKAR, he made it a political platform. In order to get support from the Dusun politicaly, he intensified the use of the name 'Dusun' and even engaged the late Datuk G S Sundang as he was among those who did not agree to the term 'Kadazan' being used in 1961 by the late Tun Fuad Stephens to unite the community under a single identity.
The late Tun Fuad Stephens admitted his mistake as reported in KST dated 19/2/1967. The mistake can still be corrected as what the KCA leaders had done on 05/11/1989 by introducing the term "Kadazandusun" at the annual congress of delegates. It has since came to be known as KDCA.
The justification was because all the other indigenous ethnic groups are already included as this word is meant to be inclusive. Kadazandusun as a term include the Rungus and all the 40 other tribes. This is the stand of KDCA to coin the term with a view to uniting everybody psychologically and mentally so that they don't fight over who is Kadazan and who is Dusun anymore. That is the idea, it is a good idea and should be supported.
Although the term "Kadazandusun" is not 'universally used' or 'accepted', it was a good start and there are signs that the same-speech community are beginning to be aware of this term.
The people are slowly getting into that idea and accepting it. Those who disagree will gradually and eventually accept its usage. Tan Sri H Luping has written his book titled "The Kadazandusuns".
Opening suggestions, the move towards correction can be initiated from the official side (NRD). The official side (NRD) who prepare our demograhy and population statistic should call us just Kadazandusuns in their documentation. To do this, there must be an official instruction on the adoption of the term "Kadazandusun".
Present-day leaders like Huguan Siou Datuk J Pairin, Tan Sri B Dompok, Tan Sri J Kurup, Datuk Ayub Aman, Datuk Dr J Kitingan, Tan Sri G Gilong, Tan Sri S Koroh, Tan Sri H Luping, Datuk M Leiking, Tan Sri S Sipaun should get together in an effort to arrive at a consensus so that will sort of solve this so-called problem of identity.
Reply to Annonymous on February 2, 2010 10:30 PM
ReplyDeleteI suggest you read my blog at http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/10/english-malay-kadazandusun-beginners.html#links
To Anonymous who wrote on February 2nd @ 10.51pm.
ReplyDeleteGood comments and I respect your views. Regretfully, I disgaree with it.
I am a Kadazan and will probably be the last few who will stand by that name.
Please exclude me from your Kadazandusun proposal.
There was never any disunity and you verified that when you mentioned the Late Mark Koding. He was a politician and he did what he did for his political needs at that time.
I am not a politician, I am a Human Being, a Kadazan.
So leave me out. If you and the rest of these "so called" community leaders what to so called unite yourselves", then go ahead but but a proviso to the NRD to exclude specifically the "minority" like me, who will live and die as a Kadazan. I am sure that there are some "minority" Dusuns who thinks like and probably we will be the last few who will continue to preserve our identity as it was and as it is.
By the way, I am a Kadazan who sweat and toils daily selling life insurance policies and have no pensions like these "so called" community and political leaders. Let them have their fun and toy with their race description ala Kadazandusun. Just to give an exclusion or at least the NRD the opportunity to retain what was there all this while before your proposal to make a new race called Kadazandusun.
Let me have my dignity to mantain and preserve my race as a Kadazan.
Annonymous wrote on February 2, 2010 10:51 PM
ReplyDelete"Opening suggestions, the move towards correction can be initiated from the official side (NRD). The official side (NRD) who prepare our demograhy and population statistic should call us just Kadazandusuns in their documentation. To do this, there must be an official instruction on the adoption of the term "Kadazandusun"."
Are you trying to push something down our throats? So far, this is the most rediculous suggestion. You have intelligently written your piece, but your suggestion is completely rubbish.
My Father is a Dusun from Tambunan and My Mother is a Dusun from Ranau but in my birth certificate I was a Kadazan....bingung ni nanti marah tu urang tangaah di Penampang kalau sia cakap sia urang Kadazan...
ReplyDeleteKopivosian doid diau oi Mamai Sylvester,
ReplyDeleteKotohuadan di e-mail nu - kokomoi diho' subject id savat... Id kopomoogizan ku do komi kokomoi diho', ouhit ku dii vagu' nunu i nakabanta ku di ontok Mitingan Koiso' do "Pakar Rujuk Mata Pelajaran Bahasa Kadazandusun", 20 January 2010 (i nokomooi nogi' id blog nu dii).
Miaga di nokointahang ku dii do:
(1) Iho' nopo "English - Malay - Kadazandusun Beginner's Dictionary" diho' nga' asil-hobi (by-product) mantad do projik "Learn to speak Kadazandusun CD-ROM" - iso' CD-ROM di koiso' nogi' do notoodo (nakahabus di ontok Y2K) miampai tuduvan do monokodung do tangaanak sikul id pinsingihaan do boos Kadazandusun om nogi' id pinggisaman doid kopongia'an do boos diti doid sikul i nokotimpuun di toun 1998 (Trial Primary 4 - 1997).
(2) Kininaman ku miampai di mongingia' do boos diti doid sikul om nogi' miampai di poingampai do kalaja' do kopobuu'an do boos sandad, do pinopobuuk di data mantad doid CD-ROM dii montok do tangaanak sikul id kampung ngaavi' i aiso dati' do kompiuto do ontok dii (1998). Om iho' no buuk id savat o asil.
(3) Ontok di minonoodo do projik diho' nokomoi doid savat, itia nopo term "Tinaru' Kadazandusun" nga' maamaso gunoon. (Suvai ko' mantad diho' "English-Malay-Kadazandusun Beginner's Dictionary", kivaa do hozou "Tinaru' Kadazandusun", om sinuatan ngaavi' i momoguno do term "Tinaru' Kadazandusun".)
(4) Ontok di Miting Koiso' Pakar Rujuk Mata Pelajaran Bahasa Kadazandusun, 20 Jan 2010 dii, miaga di nokointahang ku sabaagi do sonsuat om nogi' id koobian do Publisher, sontob di sogu nu/KSS nga' notohinaasan om nung papahabus do revise edition om nga' tantu' no do maan ngaavi' ii. Alaai o ginavo ku do poposuat do nunu i pinabanta ku dii montok dati' ditia sontob kinouvangan i kotoimo do cc do e-mail diti:
"Tinaru' Kadazandusun is NOT created by KLF (Okon ko' KLF o minonoodo).
We, as implementors, merely used this term which was being used at that time, this work was undertaken before 1999. (If there is a need to change, then we have to go back to those who created it, we only implement.)
As with any published materials, revisions and revised editions are part of the publication process.
And as with any other publishers, we will revise our books based on comments received from our readers and users of our books. Seperti juga dengan penerbit lain, kami akan mengusahakan Edisi Semakan bagi buku-buku terbitan kami dengan mengambil kira komen-komen yang kami terima daripada pembaca dan pengguna buku terbitan kami. Sekian."
Nokominit ngaavi' iho'.
(5) Izou/Izikoi nopo nga' academics om mongingia' ngaavi' i nokogompit doid kalaja' diti om okon i' dii ko' sintoodo-toodo om songkohobusai do sinuatan di au' poingimpau/poimpasok do facts.
(6) Nga' iso' dati' o kinomungkangan dagai do ontok dii...ontok nopo do ponoodo di projik, ii nopo "bangsa" om "race" nga' dahin dagai do "tinaru'"; om au' dati' dii koontok do baino iho' (maybe use "Indigenous group" instead of "race").
(7) Touvi no, gunoo' no o buuk diho' sabaagi do iso' record do kinopobuu'an do boos tokou. Om gunoo' tokou no o critical literacy ontok mambasa' do sinuatan ngaavi' di 10 toun nakatahib, tu' ogumu' nodii o nongokoohon, nongokobuu'...om kakaal po do mohon-ohon, kakaal po do muu'-buu'... sumigampot doid kovosian kopooposizon om nogi' doid koponomposizan do boos sandad tokou.
Id kahansanan do kivaa po daa vagu' di kaanu momo'uang do buuk sinuatan doid boos sandad tokou.
Kotohuadan.
Izou i totopot,
Rita Lasimbang
Huguan Poingkuasa' Kalaja'
KLF
Kotohuadan Zandi Rita, (Posting on February 3, 2010 1:21 PM).
ReplyDeleteWhat you have stated in your e-mail which I reproduced, is correct.
In fact you have already agreed during the meeting to rectify the anomaly in your next edition of your Dictionary after I made the proposal to correct it, but it was opposed by two of the members of the committee.
These two people should come out now to explain their objections to my proposal, failing which I will disclose their names since people are now asking who these people are.
Once again, I thank you for your clarification.
Sylvester J. Disimon
This confusion must be STOPPED. Once a Kadazan always a Kadazan and likewise the Dusuns, Muruts etc.... United we stand as a race but we do not fall, we multiply as a race. Citizens are given the freedom to chose what race they what to be termed as but please do not form another race combining all the ethnic groups (I give my highest due respect to all ethnic groups, I respect their culture,their practice, etc... do not make our future generations life COMPLICATED. We must have a sense of belonging as an individual race.
ReplyDeleteI refer to Rita Lasimbang's statement in her posting February 3, 2010 1:21 PM above.
ReplyDeleteShe said, "We, as implementors, merely used this term which was being used at that time, this work was undertaken before 1999. (If there is a need to change, then we have to go back to those who created it, we only implement.)"
"Ontok (1988) di minonoodo do projik diho' nokomoi doid savat, itia nopo term "Tinaru' Kadazandusun" nga' maamaso gunoon," she wrote.
I would like to ask Rita if 'Kadazandusun' was then (in 1988) accepted 'Tinaru' or Race or Bangsa as a one of the ethnic races. If not, then there is truth in it that the term 'Kadazandusun' is being propagated as a race by the proponents, including Rita herself.
If she disagrees with me, then she failed in her responsibility to correct the anomaly in the latest edition of the Dictionary.
To the commenter dated February 3, 2010 12.00am:
ReplyDeleteIf you cannot accept the term Kadazandusun so be it, nobody is forcing you. If you are really that smart please give your suggestion.
Why Kadazadusuns? An article written by the late Rev Fr A L Gossen compiled a Kadazan Dictionary which was published by Journal of the Malayan Branch of the Royal Asiatic society in November 1924 stated that "In this vocabulary, I have followed the pronounciation of Kadazan as used in Papar. Dusun call themselves Kadazan, page 87"
There is some older records in the writing of Ivor H N Evan's book " Among Primitive People in Borneo" published in 1922 read,"The Dusun apply different names to themselves in different parts of the country; for instance, I have it on the authority of Father Duxneuney that the Putatan people call themselves Kadazan, while I found that the natives of the Tempassuk dub themselves tindal, page 79 and 286."
If you said so what? Well going back to my point that the stand of KDCA to coin the term Kadazandusun with a view to uniting everybody so that they don't fight over who is Kadazan and who is Dusun anymore. That is the idea, it is a good idea and should be supported.
But if you said it's rubbish then there will never be a final answer to this. It will go on and on. I think it's time for us to move on.
The agreed-on-name was the closest approach. But most of the communities including the above commenter still don't see it positively. Now that we have reached the millennium, there was still conflict among the Kadazans and Dusuns which was resulting in the identity crisis again.
Aiyoo my fellow Sabahans,
ReplyDeleteYou have all been screwed by your politicians. I read some internet postings and articles on what may have happened and have to the conclusion that your native politicians are the ones divided.
Whether you are Kadazan, Dusun, Murut, Rungus, Kimaragang, Lotud and so and so on, your political leaders since Donald Stephens, Pairing Kitingan, Mark Koding, Bernard Dompok and Joseph Kurup were the ones who were not united.
Tun Fuad of course from I read here in this blog did apologies for forcing the designation "Kadazan" on the other natives of Sabah especially the Dusuns. He and his colonial mates would be the only one who knows what the grand plan was but his apology and admission is gentleman enough. That I believed should have ended there.
My further research found that Mark Koding used the United Sabah Dusun Organisation to fight for the Dusun identity for his political gain. Pairin from my reading and being a Dusun from Tambunan, came up with a joint declaration to merge USDA and Kadazan Cultural Association into what you now know as KDCA. Now I am not certain whether the united anyone? Probably someone can explain this because if it did, why didn't USDA dissolve itself since KCA succumb to USDA's demands by diluting KCA and creating "KDCA".... those people involved other than Mark Koding are still around and am sure they can explain. So all in all, the problem was political because I did not found any article on bad blood between the Kadazan and Dusun and others. Rather who belonged to what party and this and that. No report of racial clashes between the Kadazans and Dusuns and others can be found at least.
Sometime later, Dompok a Kadazan Penampang and Kurup a Dusun from somewhere in the Interior of Keningau District formed their own parties each claiming to be the unifer of the race and saviour and what have you. Bernard Dompok of course used PDS, a multi racial party, and later UPKO a racial based and now revised orang asli cum "Kadazandusun" party etc.
Three Natives 2 Dusuns and 1 Kadazan, all claiming to champion the people? Why is it that these same people who are either Kadazan or Dusun and who worked together once as PBS President, Deputy President and Secretary General and who are now presidents of their own party which claims to be the unifier, can't even bloody get together? or agree to nake one head of the Kadazans or Dusuns. If Kadazandusun is to be their identity, why the hell are they still not united?
In summary, it is your political leaders who are bitching eachother and not the Kadazans and Dusuns. It is just politicians who come and go and who are well paid to serve the rakyat who messed this thing up.
The solution is to not change the race identity. Keep intact, what the late Tun Fuad said, call yourselves any of either Kadazan or Dusun, after all you are the same. Putting the word the together as "kadazandusun" serves no one well at all but only serves the message of the politicians who indeed as someone said in this blog, have long overstayed their welcome and service.
Be brave my Kadazan and Dusun people, take you destiny to greater heights by achieving more in business, wealth and health and do not indulge on the games that these politicians wishes you to have. The "fear" and "bogey man" mind games is over. Call yourself Dusuns or Kadazans but not Kadazandusuns. Do not demean your race.
A chinese who knows little but who will not call himself a "Hokkien-Cantonese". I am chinese because we have a motherland called "China". By the way, I am Hokkien although my Mother is Cantonese from Penang. Sabah is beautiful and I have lived here for long time and I am sad that your politicians have done so much damage and will never apologies for the harm and damage done.
God bless.
To the commenter February 3, 2010 11.26pm,
ReplyDeleteYou have a good point there, but the way you comment is just like a politician and furthermore you are not qualified to debate in this issue because you are a Chinese or "Hokkien Canto".
Please forgive me if this word offended you because we are not racist. Thank you for saying that Sabah is a beautiful country and I would like to add that Sabah people is a peace-loving, I mean no "church-burning".
Gundohing SJD,
ReplyDeleteThumps up for Rita Lasimbang for her excellent work despite your disagreement with the term Kadazandusun.
Its just the beginning Gundohing! I think you are a perfectionist and I like that but sometime we have to look the other side.
I remember you have been criticizing Pairin's over his stepping gong, the Siga roundabout beautification, your Native Chief's debacle and now this time about this little dictionary.
What's the point? We have to move forward and follow the present time because sometime to be successful is learning through our failures first.
Reply to Annon posted February 4, 2010 8:41 AM.
ReplyDeleteThis is to inform the writer that KSS was the first one to commend Rita for her work IN WRITING! I have also commended her during the meeting on 20 January, 2010 for authoring and compiling the Dictionary.
My only disappointment was that she did not include the two indigenous races of Kadazan and Dusun in her Dictionary, meaning, the two races are not in existence amongst the others in Sabah.
If the writer (Annon) is a Kadazan or Dusun, does he want his race to be excluded in the Dictionary and to be identified as 'Kadazandusun' when it is not a race?
What does the writer mean by 'Its just the beginning ...'? Is he trying to propagate the usage of the term 'Kadazandusun' as an ethnic race and to tell the Kadazans and Dusuns to drop their ethnic identities? He must be out of his mind!! He is insulting the intelligence of the Kadazans and Dusuns.
Please, let us keep the forum based on the subject matter. We won't go wrong. There will be a time to discuss the other subject matters you have mentioned.
Thank you for reminding me.
Sylvester J. Disimon
to anonymous February 3, 2010 11:23 PM
ReplyDeleteau zou sama sakahi kosokodung do tondom-ondom nu kokomoi do 'If you cannot accept the term Kadazandusun so be it, nobody is forcing you'.. agazo om poinghundat kozo oh vaza do ahal diti, okito tokou do nabaagi nodi do tohu.. Kadazan, Dusun om Kadazandusun.. onu di oh kovosian diho do baino? and some of us diehard Kadazan, Dusun and some wanted to proceed Kadazandusun..
so what have this group achieved to unite this 2? in fact they sucessfuly divided us into 3.. I strongly suggest that any books bearing 'Kadazandusun' to be changed to Kadazan and Dusun or be ti Kadazan or Dusun..
Reply to Anonymous posted on February 3, 2010 11:23 PM
ReplyDeleteThe Anonymous appears to be one and the same person who posted his first comment on February 2, 2010 10:51 PM. He should reveal his identity since he is full of conviction in his argument.
I strongly believe that he is one of the proponents of the term ‘Kadazandusun’, perhaps he, who started and popularize the said term in his various writings. I am getting close to exposing his name if he does not identify himself.
Why hide behind under the pseudonym ‘Anonymous’? If you are passionate over the use of the term ‘Kadazandusun’, then it is only sensible for you to reveal your name so that due respect is accorded for championing your cause.
Your suggestion to give instruction to NRD for the adoption of the term "Kadazandusun" as a race in birth certificates (February 2, 2010 10:51 PM posting) is a blatant insult to the Kadazan and Dusun peoples for attempting to obliterate their dignified and sacred races. You may not feel the insults because you may be one of the proponents and defenders of the term ‘Kadazandusun’.
You stated that, “the stand of KDCA to coin the term Kadazandusun with a view to uniting everybody so that they don't fight over who is Kadazan and who is Dusun anymore … is a good idea and should be supported.”
‘Kadazandusun’ is a term coined by KDCA(?) for political expediency and should not be automatically adopted as a race at the expense of loosing our own identities.
I agree with Tan Sri Herman Luping in his book that the term ‘Kadazandusun’ is only used as a tag line for the Kadazans and Dusuns, while YB Datuk Masidi Manjun termed it as a political grouping only. Why should we instruct NRD to change our ethnic race? Are you not proud of yourself being registered as Kadazan and call yourself Dusun? We respect you for that.
On the contrary, we should get the Government to recognize Kadazan and Dusun only as the two main ethnic races of Sabah instead of Kadazandusun.
Hi all you people who are propagating the newly alien race called "Kadazandusun", please remember that it was purely a political ploy by these bastards of politicians who have realy shoved up all our arses their imaginary Kadazan and Dusun disunity.
ReplyDeleteAll you fellas should realise that it is for their political survival that they created a fabel that the Kadazans and Dusuns were at eachother's throats.
These fellas are the ones who cannot unite politically. Married as a gang of politicians promising the future of Sabah and divorced each leading their own political parties and now trying to say with of course their macais that we the Kadazans and Dusuns are in serious situation so much so that "Kadazandusun" has united us!!!! No no no, please do not play with race man.... you guys have been serving too long and I am sure you want to die in office hence you all will instruct your stupid macais to say that the Kadazan and Dusuns are killing eachother and what have you.
The Kadazans and Dusuns have never hated eachother nor have they ever questioned eachother. Creating this Kadazandusun terminology is evil and one day, we should expose these evil. What unity are they talking about when their Political platform can't even unite themselves.
Let us hope anyone who has served more than 2 terms in office be kicked out of office and anyone who promotes Kadazandusun be denied any chance to confuse the People of Sabah espcially the Kadazan and Dusuns.
Be strong my fellow Kadazan and Dusun, we are all Sabahans and we should fight for what we have long been deprived of. We fight Sabahans and show them how great our people are. We should take back what these bastards of politicians who had done us so much harm espcially those who said they were fighting for Sabahans in 1985 cause the same fellas are still in powers in the Government till today.
The same bastards are the ones who are promoting the imaginary Kadazan and Dusun dilemma. It is their political dilemma and do not bring in our Kadazan and Dusun race into your freaking personal political problem.
We are not Kadazandusun.
Gundohing SJD,
ReplyDeleteKada gia kohodong-hodong sampai no do mokianu oh ngaan totopot kumaa dii minanak ngaavi do ngaan sabagai "Anonymous". Aiso gia demokrasi miaga diti.
Anyway, the term "Kadazandusun" was coined as the best alternative approach to resolve the "Kadazan/Dusun identity crisis", which have crippled and impeded the growth and development of the Kadazandusun multi-ethnic socio-culturally, economically and politically - eversince Kadazanism versus Dusunism sentiments wre politized in 1960's.
On the other hand, I concurred KSS and other individual's stance that those who identify themselves as 'Kadazan' or 'Dusun' should be respected.
To resolve this debate amicably and to reach a "win-win situation", I therefore welcome KSS President's proposal that the Kadazans or the Dusuns can be identified under the new term "KadazanDusun" (with the capital K and D) as published in your blog on 30/3/2009.
Last but not least, we must make it official and there must be an official instruction on the adoption of the term "KadazanDusun" and NRD should be instructed on correct term to use.
Gundohing SJD,
ReplyDeleteGreetings. I am with you on mantaining the name of the Kadazan and Dusun as a race. The Lotuds have been described as a Race in the Dictionary and So have the Muruts. Why not we mantain the Dusuns and Kadazan as its unique dialect.
One day, people who have subjected to the lies and manipulation by the YB's who have been re-lected over and over again since PBS days and now in different Parties re : PBS, UPKO and PBRS and some in PKR like Dr. Jeff Kitingan have been the ones that have been saying "unity" "Unity" etc. These YB's have been given enough time to progress Sabah out of its doldrums.
They have failed and their failure has now been translated into a so called "Kadazan and Dusun" identity crisis.
Aisoh ih crisis other than a Political Drama so that the same people can be YB's again and enjoy the perks of the office either in the opposition or Government. Both have Gaji and Pensions.
Ok, let us propose this for the supporters of the Kadazandusuns - who obviously are at the behest of their political friends and masters and some just in it because they it is right - my proposal is :-
1. We rename the Kadazan and Dusuns as what they want into a new name race called "Kadazandusun" and ho ha yipee de yeah - we are united, according to these politicians and their macais;
2. The renaming of the race into Kadazandusun must mean that all of them - these "great" so called leaders have to assign in total all their pensions which they will receive from the Government upon their retirement from elected office - since these YB's have been fighting to unite allegedly since forever and hence that is why their parties have been saying KDM, Kadazandusuns and etc. All their pensions and nothing left for them at all. Let them sacrifice some more - it is only a couple of thousands more aint it.
3. The funds raised from the Pensions assigned in full by these great and unifiying leaders will then be used to help promote greater unity and etc.
After all is it not the case for these YB's to have stayed so long as an elected official - that is to unite our Kadazan and Dusun people into the "unified" Kadazandusuns!!! So what is the few thousands per month for them to give up since they have been "trying to unite us"?
If Pairin, Dompok, Kurup and Jeffrey Kitingan all sacrifice every cent of their elected YB Pension, I will agree to be called a Kadazandusuns. After all it only proves how serious these people have been since 1985 to unite us as Kadazan and Dusun and stop this so called clashes of identity once and for all allegedly it seems. So Kadazandusun it is if the politicans fully assign and give full YB pensions into a Kadazandusun foundation - from that funds, we can then go to each house to tell the Kadazans and Dusuns that they have to now unite and stop the bloodshed as we will all be Kadazandusubs.
Pairin, Bernard, Kurup and Jeff Kitingan saved our race from Obliteration because of the deadly disunity and fight that we have as Kadazan and Dusun. HENCE THAT IS WHY WEE NEED TO CHANGE THE NAME FROM THE ORIGINAL NRD DESCRIPTION OF 'KADAZAN' AND 'DUSUN' into Kadazandusun.
Of course this will only involve those who are known as either Kadazan or Dusun.
The Muruts, the Lotuds (as described in the Dictionary by KLF), the Rungus and others will mantain their own NRD Description as it seems you guys were never having any bloodshed or disunity. We naughty Kadazans and Dusuns have messed up it seems at least from the many comments made in this blog and that is why Kadazandusuns as proposed by these political parties and leaders is the way.
Waiting for the full pensions of these people to be assigned to the new unifying Kadazandusun foundation ...... at last and till then, we are united.
I still dont see "KadazanDusun" is wise, let it be Kadazan and Dusun.. dont complicate this 2 by simplifying the term. Kadazan and Dusun has long architectured by its culture, custom, dialect, discipline, hitory, myth, etc. .. to term it into one is simply mutinous to our root, diverted and distracted from smooth evolution.
ReplyDeleteAn atempt to proceed the term is actually clogging the harmony of the existing peace, sentitivity and attitude should be taken into consideration.. privacy invasion subdued everyones feeling including the proponents.. this is critical and will lead us continuously divided..
Regi Puvok,
ReplyDeleteIts look this debate will go on and on and on..
Things to do now:
1. Let's play merry-round then
2. Let's play passing parcel
3. To remind some commenter not to mix politics in this debate and mentioning the word Kadazandusuns
4. Stop mentioning names like Datuk Pairin, PBS leaders and KDCAs because some KSS or UPKOs supporters will go hysterical when they read or heard these names
5. Let's play kite
6. Let's go fishing
7. As Gong xi fa cai is around the corner, lets play mahjong and lap-lap fu
8. Lastly, lets sing Karaoke all night long with a blue tin of tiger welcoming the Year of the Tiger 2010.
I refer to Anonymous dated February 5, 2010 10:41 AM.
ReplyDeleteHaving read Anon’s proposals, I immediately logged in to SJD’s posting on 30/3/2009 to read the article at http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-is-either-kadazandusun-or-kadazan-or.html.
In fact Datuk Marcel only stated (according to the blogger) that “the Kadazans or Dusuns can be identified under the new term ‘KadazanDusun’ IF THERE IS A NEED TO COIN A NEW TERM”. My question is: Is there a need to continue coining new words in this respect? There will be no end to it and the identity crisis will continue as to which term or spelling to be used.
I agree with what Regi Puvok has said in his posting on February 5, 2010 1:35 PM.
Even if you change the term from ‘Kadazandusun’ to ‘KadazanDusun’, though the spelling is different but, mind you, the sound is the same, and eventually it will go back to the old spelling. ‘Bolikon om tiyan’ or ‘iri om iri amu kasari’.
No lar ... Datuk Marcel, I disagree with you to change the term to ‘KadazanDusun’. I respect your proposal but, as I said, there will be no end to it. I believe you were only trying to seek a compromise at that material time by clarifying the capital K and D. But why ‘piroputon wagu’.
I am a dusun and do not wish my ethnic group to be ‘subsuming or subservient (in name-sake) to the Kadazans as what the earlier commentator (raynerstuelgalid dated February 1, 2010 8:41 PM) has said.
Surely Datuk Clement Jaikul will jump to his feet to decry if Anon’s proposal is entertained.
I can sense that 'Anon' is just one step further to come to agreement with what Gundohing Sylvester has said in this blog.
Kotoluadan Gundohing for bringing this issue for e-debate in your blog.
The proposal to change the spelling to ‘KadazanDusun’ is a big NO for me. I want my race ‘Dusun’ to be preserved and classified in the Dictionary and remove the term ‘Kadazandusun’ which is misleading. KLF, please do the correction.
Kotoluadan.
Sosowitan.
I think this term stemmed from people being lazy, lazy to say Kadazan AND Dusun so the word Kadazandusun was coined. But it's just a word, NOT a race.....kangku daa bo.
ReplyDeletePhilix Laimon
Siou Kio. I wish to remain as a "Kadazan".
ReplyDeletePeople should respect the "Dusuns" too. Let us be one and the same people with different Dialects only.
Let the Dusuns be known as Dusuns and the Kadazans as Kadazans.
I see no reason to change it.
Thanks.
Max D
Why all this ' splitting of the hairs' why revived this old wounds. Did you and i gained tangible out of all these arguements even to the extent of running down our political leaders? To my mind, our motto should be unity in diversity. Look around and see for yourself what is our greviences in terms of marginalisation in governance, jobs and education. These grievances needed to be corrected and rectified. True our rights as sons of the soils are guaranteed under the constitution, but it is a right we have to fight for and fight hard to win for it. Our greviances are genuine and are we happy about it by simply sweping these greviances under the carpet.The fruits of our rights does not come along on a silver plate. Where do we go from here. Can some one over there enlightened on this very serious and important subject. Happy and a blesses sunday.
ReplyDeleteClement Jaikul
Gundohing Clement Jaikul,
ReplyDeleteSorry, the promise one has'nt been born yet or still in primary school now.
However, in spite of some commenter including the KSS President gave their interesting and closes approach but this typical Kadazan/Dusun wrangling over the label led us to nowhere, zero boh.
Reply to Clement Jaikul who said on February 7, 2010 7:39 AM
ReplyDeleteWith due respect to Tobpinai Datuk Clement Jaikul, I think he is more confused than anything else in his argument with the subject matter. Let me dissect his argument for the readers to judge for themselves. I stand to be corrected.
DCJ: “Why all this ' splitting of the hairs' why revived this old wounds.”
SJD: Datuk, the commentators are not ‘splitting of hairs’ because they saw my points why the Kadazans and Dusuns have been omitted from the Dictionary and replaced them with the term ‘Kadazandusun’ as a race.
If ‘old wounds’ become a gangrene, it is only right for the right thinking people to reopen it (‘old wound’) to get it healed well and proper.
By the way, who inflicted the wounds in the first place? That wound has now become ‘gangrous’.
DCJ: “Did you and i gained tangible out of all these arguements even to the extent of running down our political leaders?”
SJD: Tobpinai, this e-forum gives us important feedback from the participants, including from your good self. Refer my posting dated February 1, 2010 11:56 AM and your reply posted on February 2, 2010 5:46 AM when you were asked whether the name " Dusun ' is to be included in the Dictionary. And your reply was. “I am proud and all the Dusuns in Sabah are proud of their heritage.” This is a positive response from you and I thank you for that.
Some participants have invariably ‘castrated’ our leaders because they (participants) would have expected them (Kadazan and Dusun leaders) to have been more responsible in protecting and preserving their respective indigenous races. But instead they are amongst the proponents of the term ‘Kadazandusun’ as a race in their veiled attempt to unify the Kadazans and Dusuns for their own political gains.
This is amplified Anonymous in his posting dated February 3, 2010 11:26 PM
DCJ: “To my mind, our motto should be unity in diversity. Look around and see for yourself what is our greviences in terms of marginalisation in governance, jobs and education. These grievances needed to be corrected and rectified.”
SJD: Tobpinai, I want to pose you a question in return: Can’t we be united under our own respective races of Kadazan and Dusun? This is the best example of “Unity in diversity”. We don’t have to go beyond creating a new race in order to achieve this objective.
Our political leaders should look into the grievances you have raised and described, and they should not be too busy with their own personal preservation.
DCJ: “True our rights as sons of the soils are guaranteed under the constitution, but it is a right we have to fight for and fight hard to win for it. Our greviances are genuine and are we happy about it by simply sweping these greviances under the carpet.”
SJD: I agree with you Tobpinai. This subject matter is directed to our political leaders, and I hope they would their parts.
DCJ: “The fruits of our rights does not come along on a silver plate. Where do we go from here. Can some one over there enlightened on this very serious and important subject.”
SJD: My answer is the same as per above.
I agree with Regi Puvok. One should either be a Kadazan or a Dusun. There's no such thing called a Kadazandusun. And please don't try to confuse people by saying that KadazanDusun is acceptable. This is a wrong argument. By putting capital D for Dusun doesn't change anything. We should just stick to Kadazan or Dusun. People like Clement Jaikul and Rita Lasimbang are idiots so let them remain as such because they have their own agenda. Rita Lasimbang has to earn her pay with KLF as the Chairman is Simon Sipaun. As for Clement Jaikul, he should stop promoting the China Land Skam Group especially being a former senior police officer and a Datuk. I am a Dusun and proud of it. I have many Kadazan friends and they should proud to be called Kadazans. But as for being Kadazandusun, what is this word? This just a stupid term being coined short sighted stupid people. Herman Luping should be ashamed of himself for writing the book Kadazandusun and making a monkey or a Gobuk out of all of us, the Dusuns and the Kadazans.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work Gundohing Sylvester. You are a true Kadazan. Your KSS President is too silent on issues that concerns our community. He should make more statements to defend the community and make KSS more relevant. Let us save the Kadazans and the Dusuns from being annihilated from the face of this earth. Dont ever agree to be called a Kadazandusun or even KadazanDusun. It should be either Kadazan or Dusun. We come from different parts of Sabah and therefore it is natural that some of us are Kadazan and some of us are Dusun. But we should not be called Kadazandusun for whatever reasons. That would be a mortal sin!!
ReplyDeleteThank you for your return comments. You mentioned about creating a new race? The Dayaks are now known as Ibans, and I believe the Ibans are proud of thier new name. Why can we be proud as Kadazandusun and still maintains our respective culture, and there is really nothing wrong if when addressing a function or crowd in salutation by saying Tobinai Kadazan and Dusun ngavi......... I admit that I have sidelines a bit when I discussed about our greviances. What I am try to infer is unless we are united and unified in our stand, our greviances cannot be addressed effectively and bring about results. As you have said leave it to the politicians. I agree very much. As individual or a group of concerned people or assocation can also contribute and in fact more effectively. You posed us a question as whether the word 'Dusun ' is to be included in the Dictionary. I did say yes with a clear conscience.You know back in 1980 I was sitting in my office in Keningau when my officer Ignatius Bitty came knocking and said ' susah kita punya bangsa tidak mahu it nama Kadazan, dan itu Kadazan tidak mahu di panggil Dusun. Jokingly I replied that the time will come when this two people of the same origin will be known as 'Kadus" so as to make both parties at peace. I think our politicians and leaders were sincere in their deliberations and not for anything else, but as politicians they cannot escape the perceptions that it wasnt politically motivated.
ReplyDeleteClement Jaikul
Thank you Tobpinai Datuk Clement Jaikul that 'you have agreed very much' to include 'Dusun' as a race in the Dictionary. Don't try and create another race 'Kadus'. Enough of this creating new races. You are only confusing people.
ReplyDeleteI only need your confirmation to agree with me of what I have said in this blog. And you have agreed with full conviction. Thank you, that's all I need from you.
Sylvester J. Disimon
Gun SJD,
ReplyDeleteAre you representing the Kadazans and the Dusuns, or KSS, or it is all about yourself of not satisfied with KLF's Kadazandusun for Beginners Dictionary about the term Kadazandusun by omitting Kadazans and Dusuns as a race?
I'm wondering why the KSS President is so silent about this forum.
Thank you.
I wrote the article as the Deputy President of KSS with the full blessing from the Society and, as a Kadazan, I have to express the views of the Society I represent about this subject matter. Hence, this e-forum is open to all to find the views of all the Kadazans and Dusuns who wish to participate.
ReplyDeleteYou are also most welcomed to express your views, if you may.
Sylvester J. Disimon
The President of KSS is reading all the comments from this e-forum and he assured me that he will make his comments at the appropriate time.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your concern.
Sylvester J. Disimon
Pardon me, it was never suggested in my coment
ReplyDeleteto create a new race. Did I? i was merely recollecting an event long ago because the coining of the two names did materialised,but
not as Kadus, please dont get confused and not to misqoute my statement. thank you.
Kopivosian Gundohing Sylvester.
ReplyDeleteI do not understand why 'Dusun' is not listed as an ethnic group in the said dictionary. In my Birth Certificate, my parent (God Bless their souls) are Dusun. Can anyone (including the writer, editor, sponsor, etc. of this said dictionary) say "In my Birth Certificate, my father is a Kadazan and my mother is a Dusun. Hence, I am a Kadazanduzun?"
Regards & God Bless
Dato' Seri Dr. Adalbert Kinson
I wish to refer to comment by 'anonymous' dated 7.2.20l0 at 12.08.Dont get personal and eratic. This is an outdated culture. I am sure our discussion on the subject in question was not intended to slander. I hope Gundohing SJD take note of this. Let us have a healthy discussion. My sympathy goes to Rita Lasimbang.
ReplyDeleteCorrection Datuk, the posting is on February 7, 2010 7:21 PM and not February 7, 2010 12:08 PM as you mentioned.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree with Datuk Clement Jaikol of what he said. All commentators must refrain from personal attacks because, as I have said, this subject deals with a serious matter touching on our ethnic races which we uphold important and sacred.
I reserve the right not to publish comments with similar innuendos as from now.
Thank you for your cooperation.
I totally feel that those who consider 'Kadazandusun' as an ethnic race are 'penghianat' to the 'Kadazan' and the 'Dusun'
ReplyDeleteDato' Seri Dr. Adalbert Kinson
reply to DCJ February 7, 2010 7:28 PM
ReplyDeletemerging the name was just an idea of some in the then committee.. it was never a roadshow or voting feedback representing over 800,000 Kadazans and Dusuns.
taking Ibans as an example is humilating the Kadazans and Dusuns, we are not suppose to duplicate or equalize this case from others for the sake of ignoring the true spirits of many Kadazans and Dusuns.. lets preserve our originality.. anthropologist will credit us for this.. this will depict our quality..
I have received a e-mail from a reader as follows:
ReplyDeleteGundohing...
As my parents are 'Dusun', I am therefore rightly a 'Dusun'. I am married to a 'Chinese'. I have 3 sons and they all identify themselves as 'Kadazan'. Why? Because I believed all along that 'Kadazan' is used to identify the product from the union of a 'Dusun' or ‘Kadazan’ and a 'Chinese'. The 2 elder ones are getting married soon to 'Dusun' from Keningau. They asked if their children are to be referred to as 'Kadazandusun', 'Kadazan' or 'Dusun'? I said 'Kadazan'
What are your thoughts?
My reply to him …
It is up to the parents to register their children as Kadazan or Dusun, as a matter of preference.
There is a case where an Indian guy married to a Kadazan girl in Penampang. When they went to register their children at the NRD, the wife insisted that her children were to be registered as 'Kadazan' since there is no such race as 'Kadazanindian' or 'Indiankadazan'. Hence, the NRD consented to register their children as Kadazan. This is very true because the Indian father is my friend and we have talked to the mother as well, and both of them confirmed the fact.
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ReplyDeleteReaders are now writing to me through emails, and I would like to share with you the following:
ReplyDelete"My sister, a 'Kadazan' is married to a 'Chinese' from Johor. Instead of 'Sino-Kadazan' they opted to register their children as 'Kadazan'. Today they have no problem opening Amanah Saham account."
I thank the reader for sharing this important information to the other readers.
Dear Mr. Disimon,
ReplyDeleteI am writing from Canada and have not been back to Sabah since 2007. Been working here for a while now.
I am aghast to know that there has been a serious problem and disunity with our Kadazan and Dusun people. I left Sabah to further my Studies in 2001 and have been fortunate to have Sabah without the racial clashes which the Kadazan and Dusun have been having as mentioned by some of the bloggers in this blog. I am shocked that there has been this racial problem. I never knew and my parents have not said anything to me at all about this.
I have also found that there were no mention of it in the Daily Express online and Sabah Times. Could this clash or fight between the Kadazan and Dusun which have been mentioned by the commentors of this blog been a secret? I for one never knew at all.
My friend who works in Toronto and from Tuaran, who is a Dusun, is equally baffled as to this clash and disunity.
Please elaborate and do keep us informed.
By the way, why have now renamed ourselves "Kadazandusun". I am again puzzled by this?
Our hearts goes to all our Kadazan and Dusun kins who may have been hurt or suffered in this war which our two wonderful race have had.
I think the solution however is to talk it over and not to fuse our race into Kadazandusun.
The Assiniboin and Cree dialects or tribes two of the many native canadians have never fused their race names. These are all strong braves who are proud of their dialects and culture albeit both Natives but different in dialects. Yes they use to have their fights but it was more territorial and misunderstanding rather.
I pray that we have not done away with the harmony that the Kadazans and Dusuns have had since time immemorial.
Please tell me that there is no "war" between our race, I really cannot find it in any news.
Nat
Reply to Nat (from Canada) posted on February 8, 2010 8:04 PM.
ReplyDeleteDear Nat, first of all, I would like to thank you for your concern over the Kadazan and Dusun identity issue which I posted in his blog.
Do not be alarmed: there is no serious problem or clash and disunity between our Kadazan and Dusun peoples as you perceived. We are only trying to rectify the incorrect usage of the term 'Kadazandusun' to be known as a race.
The term 'Kadazandusun' was hotly debated in the newspaper in February 2009. Please read my posting on this subject matter at http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/03/kadazans-identity-snatchers.html#links. The article will give you fair idea on this subject.
I have brought up this issue again in this blog (but not in the local papers) for e-debate when the two indigenous groups of 'Kadazan' and 'Dusun' races have been deliberately omitted in the Beginner's Kadazandusun Dictionary.
The author has printed the term 'Kadazandusun' as a race in the Dictionary to replace the said two races of Kadazan and Dusun, which means there are no such races as Kadazan and Dusun.
For your further information, you may also read my other postings related to this subject in this blog at http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/05/isu-ejaan-kadazandusun-di-media-cetak.html#links and at http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/02/kadazandusuns-are-indeed-natives-of.html#links.
The harmony between the Kadazans and Dusuns is very much alive in Sabah.
Much have been discussed on 1. whether 'Dusun ' is to be included in the Dictionary and 2. the ' Kadazandusun ' issue. Perhaps Gundohing SJD would kindly windup now and to be followed by views and comments from the President of KKS. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI think 64 comments (including mine) are not enough to wind-up this debate, more comments please especially from the pro-Kadazandusuns.
ReplyDeleteWhen the British Charterred Company came in the 1880's, they were given the impression by the coastal villagers, namely the Bajaus that the natives in the Penampang and Papar areas were called "Dusun". Hence, the name has stuck since.
Everything went well since the native slowly became accustomed to the labels given them. Unfortunately, the name "Dusun" was often used by other racial groups in a derogatory sense.
To the thinking segments of the Dusun population the term "Dusun" was undignified as it carried connotation of an uncivilized people. This is one of the reason why the Penampang and Papar people hated the word 'Dusun'.Then came politics and the rest is history.
It was a mistake to bull-dozed the Dusuns as admitted by the late Tun Fuad Stephens in 1967. However, the Kadazan/Dusun identity crisis continues. It was the 5th KCA Delegate Conference in 1989 that amended the KCA Constitution. This was in response to the strong request by those who still want to be called Dusuns, they they be accomodated in name in the Association.
The KDCA leaders prefers "Kadazandusuns" (one word) instead of "Kadazan-Dusun" (two words), the acronym KDCA is, therefore wrong in the first place. It should still stick to the old acronym KCA.
My point here is people should be given the liberty to identify themselves as Kadazans or Dusuns or this new term Kadazan-Dusun because what I concerned about is even within KDCA and KSS there are other informal and formal groupings under the shadows of certain personalities.
Since it is more personalize and therefore very personal in nature, it is this splinter-group rivalry, not KDCA v KSS, which does more harm to the unity of the community.
The true cause of disunity must be therefore be identified and addressed accordingly and for this to happen, there must be genuine manisfestation of sincerity by the leaders themselves.
But admittedly, this is easier said than done for sadly throughout history human fallacy have been often refracted the much portrayed ideals towards personal interest.
I share the view of Anon (posting February 9, 2010 1:46 PM above).
ReplyDeleteFrom the 64 comments that have been posted, there are only 2 or 3 participants (I can identify them) in this e-forum who are pro-Kadazandusun. It would be unfair on my part to close this e-forum at this point in time (as suggested by Datuk Clement Jaikul) without the full participation from those who are pro-Kadazandusun term, lest I am labelled as 'undemocratic'.
Therefore, I invite those proponents (including political leaders) of the term 'Kadazandusun' to pen down their justifications in this e-forum as to why they should defend the said term to exist as an indigenous race.
Sylvester J. Disimon
Well, let me start from the KadazanDusun (with the capital K and D) points of view.
ReplyDeletePeople like me should not be called Kadazan or Dusun just because I belong to the KDCA or KSS. There is also no problem among Kadazan using the term Dusun.
Kadazan was merely picked to be a generic label to unite the community during the 60s when political consciousness was sweeping the State.
I believe part of the initial reluctance to agree to the term Kadazan had to with the notion that those who lived in the West Coast areas like Penampang and Papar were arrogant. If at all this was because these areas received education earlier and the thinking segment was concentrated there.
But the situation is different now. We have intellectuals and leaders who are also from the interior.
Culturally we are all the same agrarian-based people. But we have been distracted by labels that has not enabled us to move forward faster than we should.
One scenario is we know that many "Dusun" who gave their race as "Kadazan" have been told that they are Dusuns and the "Dusun" is written down in official form where the race of the individual is required to be given.
It is only fair that an individual prefer to be known as "Dusun" that he be allowed the priviledge of classifying him/herself as such, but on the other hand it is also right that if a Kadazan prefers to be known as "Kadazan" no coercion should be used to make him change it to Dusuns.
But this situation is known as "Divide and Rule".
Perhaps things might have been smooth if KadazanDusun had been the chosen label with the capital K and D.
We should use this term KadazanDusun because all the other indigenous ethnic groups are already included as this word is meant to be inclusive. KadazanDusun as a term includes Muruts, Rungus, Tindal, Bundu, Tangara, Liwan and all the 36 other tribes.
The significance of this word KadazanDusun is Unity by Diversity. It unite everybody that we are one people, one race and one voice.
If we are strong politically, like one pro-KadazanDusun commenter said, "What we really want the Kadazans and the Dusuns to be seen as-being successful in their professions and undertakings, in commerce and industry for instance." I concurred that this is where we like our people to be portrayed.
The view of Anon dated 9.2.20l0 at 1.46 pm is sensible and with logic in that he stressed on individual liberty to identify themselves so long as they are comfortable with what they wish to be identified with.
ReplyDeleteQuite often I am puzzled that to some the name 'Dusun" implies as uncivilized race etc, whereas the literal meaning of it is ' orchard or farmer. Nothing unsavoury to me more so we are basically are farmers. I dont know if I am one of those 3 participants who are pro Kadazandusun.Probably yes and please dont brand me or others pro Kadazadusun as ' panghianat'Whatever differences arising from our opinion should be a source of strength and resilience in achieving a dominant and a race to be reckoned with.
labelling Penampangites and Paparians as arrogant is simply biased as to comment annon February 9, 2010 11:44 PM, Kadazan race evolved not because of arrogance, mind you.. it evolves naturally.. Kadazan came from the word 'kakadazan' or 'kadai', it was initially used as an introduction/addressing (of) ones residency, later people residing outside the 'kakadazan' regarded them as from the 'kakadazan', time after time new generation called them Kadazan as of expurgation from 'tuhun poingizon/pointoning do(id) kakadazan'.. later the 'kakadazan' people especially the Penampang and Papar appreciate the expression 'kadazan' and smoothly adopt it and now become the race.. it has nothing to do with arrogance..
ReplyDeletewhile I respect your opinion of the use KadazanDusun, we are all opinionated anyway.. to me it is an act of brushing-off the Kadazan and the Dusun.. why not MurutRungus term and resembling the Lotud, Kadazan, Dusun, etc..? dont this looks complicated? this suppose to remain as it is Kadazan and Dusun.. dont confuse our future generation who would keen to track their ancestry.. I will ashame if Kadazan and Dusun no more in dictionary.. we the current generation should preserve it at its best for future generation.. modifying without scrutinizing every inch the perspective is simply planning to fail...
I am not one who will ever be able to accept this generic label "Kadazandusun" or "KadazanDusun".
ReplyDeleteWe are either "Kadazans" or "Dusuns" and that is that!
By the way, whoever derogated the label the race "Dusun"? I have never heard of it.
Thank you.
we should consider Kadazan as sacred same as other race..
ReplyDeleteIn my concluding remarks, i personally feels that there is nothing wrong or immoral to accept a new identity. Like everything else on life, they must be taken in moderation and with a pinch of salt. A little doubt is good. Whatever the outcome of our discussions, we better be made aware off to the realities around us. In this globalised world of the 2lst Century, we have to move forward lest we remain domant. Enjoy the Chinese New Year celebration. Those born under the star of the Snake, Tiger year is a promising to you.And to Gudohing SJD I say ' keep up the good work '
ReplyDeleteThank you Tobpinai Datuk CJ for your encouragement.
ReplyDeleteI would also like to thank you for your kind participation and contribution in this e-forum.
Your frank opinionated statements have certainly generated interests to the readers and hence they have been drawn to participate in this e-forum by posting their opinions.
I will be preparing my winding up summary, as you have suggested earlier, and will be publishing it this blog ASAP.
I propose that "e-forum Discussant Panel" be formed to study and deliberate those comments and opinions posted by the participants so that the Panel can then make appropriate statements and/or recommendations.
Perhaps, we can appoint an Independent Chairman?
I am open for suggestion on this proposal.
May I comment... pls refer KADAZAN - ENGLISH AND ENGLISH - KADAZAN DICTIONARY compiled by The REv. A.Antonissen of the St.Joseph's Foreign Missionary Society,Mill Hill. compiled @ Jesselton September 1956. Point is somebody had already done on this subject. RE Pg 145 the word KADAZAN is stated as Dusun Race. So u guys out there do not be deceived by those politician/s who are once again try to fool the kadazan n dusun community for the own personal and political interest.Do your job wisely n not to hurt people.
ReplyDeleteQuote to ponder "You can't escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today." - Abraham Lincoln.
I'm bewildered with this fusion of name; isn't it enough if one chose to be known as one prefers?
ReplyDeleteI'm a true bred Kadazan from Penampang. My parents are from Tunoh and Hungab respectively.
No matter how I try to emulate my Dusun friends in speaking their language, I'm certain my pronounciation is distasteful in their ears.
Hence, let me live as a Kadazan as I was born a Kadazan. And let our brothers and sisters who are born Dusun, to continue living as such.
This is madness to fuse the names...is it a gimmick? Oh pleaaaaaaaaaaaasseeeeee
For years now, i have been hearing nothing but arguments (or mildly put: discussion) about kadazan, dusun and kadazandusun. And i will not be a bit surprise if this arguments continues on for the next 20 years.
ReplyDeleteThere is a tendency for us all to associate ourselves with a race of some essence and substance. So it is acceptable for us to call ourselve as either "this" or "that". Its only human. But what really makes us "this" or "that" is our "action". The erosion of our culture today is so great that within 60 years it really makes no sense to call ourselves as either kadazan, dusun or even kadazandusun.
Our real identity is based on our daily living practices and not the term is being discussed. Who among us all still speak the ancestorial slang? Who among us readily brings our children into the fields and forests to plant or collect? Who among us celebrates the festivals because it was meant to be? Even now, we are communicating in English... the irony...
I don't really mind being called a kadazan, a dusun or kadazandusun (I am not so politically fussy). For now, it ALMOST means the same. Be the day we lose our language, culture, etc, the terms will mean NOTHING...
Dear Gundohing,
ReplyDeleteKopivosian doid diau...
I am a student and is currently studying abroad. I'm doing thesis on philosophy and am trying to do research on the kadus wisdom. Can you enlighten me on this matter??.. Is there any kadus'thougths that you can share with me here? Please.. I really need them.. I love kadus very much that is why I'm trying to do the studies on this..
Tanak do dusun@kadus
In the first place, there is no such ethnic group as 'Kadus'. As you may aware, the term 'Kadazandusun' was coined in the 80s in an attempt to unify the Kadazan and Dusun ethnic groups of people but this term is yet to be accepted by both the Kadazans and Dusuns, let alone to coin or create another term called 'Kadus'. This will further confuse as to the identities of the Kadazans and the Dusuns if such term is to be introduced. Let the term 'Kadazan' and 'Dusun' continue to exist side by side as they were in existence since time immemorial. Be happy to be identified as 'Kadazan' or 'Dusun' whichever ethnic group you are comfortable with, but not 'Kadazandusun'.
ReplyDeleteIf you are 'tanak do Dusun', so be it... and be proud of it. I am sure you don't wish to have the race 'Kadazan' to precede your race 'Dusun', or vice versa.
I am afraid I cannot help you in your quest to do a research on the philosophy and wisdom of the term 'Kadus'.
please dont confuse us, the younger generations. i was born in the late 80s. most of us, especially those who lives in the city area are 90% lost.
ReplyDeletethose who are without identity are easily brainwashed by the western culture.ive seen this many times, they even denied that they're any of north Borneo's natives. some will diss other races (kadazan vs dusun vs muruts vs etc) and i always ask myself, 'arent we all Momoguns?'.
i feel that im lucky because i took the effort to do some research few years back, and thats when i embrace and appreciate my race.
i appreciate the good fight, but just let kadazans be kadazans, dusuns be dusuns, muruts be muruts, rungus be rungus and so on.
p/s: sorry for any grammar error.
Kadazan or Dusun is a decription made by the outsider to denote essentially a people of the same "race". As they say, the proof is in the pudding; both group speaks the same language-only difference is the dialect/sounds made but both groups understands each other just the same. The Chinese are made up of numerous "groupings" e.g Cantonese, Hoeiken, Hakka etc. but they are still Chinese ! At a time when the Natives of Sabah should unite, petty disagreements of this nature is counter productive.
ReplyDeletehmmm... look at you all... high educated people, i must said and either kadazan or dusun, both great in using english language. i myself very proud.
ReplyDeletebut the thing is this...
kadazan and dusun both are connected. for us to fight over such a simple matter will only open up our race weaknesses. its like making publisity or advertisement about our weaknesses, to be more precise. ok, whether kadazandusun is a race or not, we are still native people-mostly of course sabahan. If only we change the way we think, as kadazan's or dusun's... dont you all think we might achieve more than what we have now?
I am young,but i know how to think. without no one telling me 'to not forget my own race', i realize it all by myself. I am now, trying sooo hard to learn my language when i realize that new generation nowadays cannot speaks dusun or kadazan anymore(well, maybe they can but only a little bit. mostly, barely understand).actually, i learn both kadazan and dusun. because my mom is dusun and my dad is kadazan. basically i'm kadazan but, i speaks mostly in dusun. Quite messed up but yeah, give me chance to learn both native language. and i love it so much. like some malay's people they used the term, hilang bahasa, hilang la bangsa. pretty much scared me. i dont want when my times come to be a parent, the language stops there. and next thing you know,it'll be antique language. like hieroglyphics and all. wth right?
my opinion--> like stated above, many people already provide their own opinions and strong facts indeed. change for our own good, might lead to the big picture here. Sibling might sometimes fight about silly matter, but cannott be seperate. For me, one of the new generation. longing for my race (which is of coz kadazan n dusun-btw:i never think both are different) to stand above. Dont forget, we(new generation) also play an important role to make the world notice about our existence. wherever we go, we bring our races and show the capability and credibility, that inherited to us.
for instance, im not showing of, just to give some fact. like me and my friends. We currently studying at Russia. force to learn russian language here, we have to master english also.dont forget, we oso use malay language(or u can say bahasa pekat sabahan). despite of that, we still use our kadazan and dusun language. both can understand each other and that make us closer than ever. we even organize show where there's an empty slot for us to present the sumazau dance, history and clothing. and I am really proud of it when each one of them were amazed and keep talking about it.
See? we have different way of thinking, i know. but,I'm sure you guys clever enough to find better solution about this matter. after all, we are kadazan n dusun people right. ^^
*Im sorry if any part that i mention here hurt anyone. truly i am. but this is my opinion which i hope reach at least 1 person who read this.. Good day.
hmmm... look at you all... high educated people, i must said and either kadazan or dusun, both great in using english language. i myself very proud.
ReplyDeletebut the thing is this...
kadazan and dusun both are connected. for us to fight over such a simple matter will only open up our race weaknesses.
its like making publisity or advertisement about our weaknesses, to be more precise.
ok, whether kadazandusun is a race or not, we are still native people-mostly of course sabahan.
If only we change the way we think, as kadazan's or dusun's... dont you all think we might achieve more than what we have now?
I am young,but i know how to think. without no one telling me 'to not forget my own race', i realize it all by myself.
I am now, trying sooo hard to learn my language when i realize that new generation nowadays cannot speaks dusun or kadazan anymore
(well, maybe they can but only a little bit. mostly, barely understand).actually, i learn both kadazan and dusun.
because my mom is dusun and my dad is kadazan. basically i'm kadazan but, i speaks mostly in dusun.
Quite messed up but yeah, give me chance to learn both native language. and i love it so much.
like some malay's people they used the term, hilang bahasa, hilang la bangsa. pretty much scared me.
i dont want when my times come to be a parent, the language stops there. and next thing you know,
it'll be antique language. like hieroglyphics and all. wth right?
my opinion--> like stated above, many people already provide their own opinions and strong facts indeed.
change for our own good, might lead to the big picture here. Sibling might sometimes fight about silly matter, but cannott be seperate.
For me, one of the new generation. longing for my race (which is of coz kadazan n dusun-btw:i never think both are different) to stand above.
Dont forget, we(new generation) also play an important role to make the world notice about our existence. wherever we go, we bring our races and show
the capability and credibility, that inherited through us.
for instance, im not showing of, just to give some fact.
like me and my friends. We currently studying at Russia. force to learn russian language here, we have to master english also.dont forget, we oso use malay language(or u can say bahasa pekat sabahan)
despite of that, we still use our kadazan and dusun language. both can understand each other and that make us closer than ever. we even organize show where there's an empty slot
for us to present the sumazau dance, history and clothing. and I am really proud of it when each one of them were amazed and keep talking about it.
See? we have different way of thinking, i know. but,I'm sure you guys clever enough to find better solution about this matter.
after all, we are kadazan n dusun people right. ^^
*Im sorry if anything that i mention here hurt anyone. truly i am. but this is my opinion which i hope reach at least 1 person who read this..
Wow..(claping hand)
ReplyDeletei didnt see kadazan or dusun here..
nokuro tu amo momoros do dusun atau kadazan?
People laughing on US!
Kadazans or Dusun, it doesn't matter. Both groupings essentially speak the same language-each understands each other perfectly. The "classification" is purely political which was probably coined by a third party inorder to "divide and rule" the tribes. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS: what are we going to do as a people ? Instead of spliting hairs regarding our diffrences, how about uniting for the survival of our races ?
ReplyDeleteif the 'KadazanDusun' is separate now to Kadazan and Dusun, it would probably lead to misunderstanding betweens these two races and to other races having the thought that Kadazan and Dusun did not get along. if this was planed all along politically from the beginning, why no one realise this? to separate the majorities in Sabah, by purposely not listed Dusun race from the dictionary but Kadazan.
ReplyDeletei am a mix of Kadazan and Dusun. for me the 'KadazanDusun' is only a term to refer these two races simultaneously, also created to unify, but when said 'people of KadazanDusuns' specifically whom? is it refering to people like me? the mixed? or actually the Kadazans and Dusuns itself? or is it a new race? indeed it is very confusing.
well, i am not a rasist, from my childhood, i always thoughts that Kadazan and Dusun are the same, but as i am grow older, it seem pretty obvius which is which, but still what differentiate between these two are the dialect and living areas. i cannot say that these two are completely the same.
i have the opinion it is better to allow these races be called separately in anywhere and not as KadazanDusun, but as Kadazan and Dusun or the other way around. anyway, why do i say this? firstly, it would be more competatively to have two Sabah own great races, and these race would not step at each other to be at the top but by giving historically competition and still can be along. secondly, the mother language of each tribes can be reserved to the next generation and be developed and not mixed up between these two language until it become some crap to the elders. language is important, eventhough Japan and Korea have their own language, but most of them are still manage to understand each other. why not Kadazan and Dusun? arent they almost similar but still differentiable? then we absolutely would have no problems mastering these two language and NOT mastering the crap. and lastly, we should all have our own identities and that identities is always different from the others and in this case, it is our tribes, IT IS SOMETHING VERY VERY PRECIOUS. it mean that we always have something we love and want to protect it. it is a GIFT FROM GOD, so that we can KNOW EACH OTHERS.
well, to be concluded, it is not wrong to categorised the Kadazans and Dusuns and Muruts and the SUB-ETHNICS IN ORDER TO UNIFY, but at least can we find something else that is not base on the name of tribes that is already exist, it is really giving the headaches.
Thanx for reading this. by the way, if i mastered my mother language, i would writen these opinion into it. but sadly, i was born from a kampung where Kadazan and Dusun are minorities. well, sometimes i speak it brokenly. and someday i wish i can hear this anywhere:
Kadazans: Poinsikou
Dusuns: Kotohuadan...
Before the British colonial came to Sabah, our forefather here never know what their 'race' is. They only knew that they are a 'Human Kind' @ 'Tuhun'. It was the colonial who named/told them that they were belonged to this and that "race" for reasons only known to them. What is a 'race' anyway? I propose we all the indegineous people of our beloved land just go back to basic and to be called "Tuhun Mamasok" or "Native" who speak and practice their own unique language and custom of their own and live here as "Tanak di Kinoingan".
ReplyDeleteBah! Naavi nopo oh pogibabaasan diti; kanou humosou: (1) Vosion Tokou Ginavo; (2) Soibu Toun. KOTHUADAN.
ReplyDeleteGun.SJD,
ReplyDeleteotopot ih onu komen di Regi Puvok. Intangai Syll. boos kadazandusun ih sikul ... haid haid opunso boos kadazan tanga.
Simon Munang
Kg Guunsing Penampang