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Saturday, February 13, 2010

Beginner’s Kadazandusun Dictionary: Summarized with Questions.

(Note: Protect and Preserve your 'Kadazan' and 'Dusun' identities. Read the articles published HEREand HERE and participate in the survey Poll located at the top right-hand column of this page.)

A) Introduction.

1) The just concluded discussion in e-forum format on the Beginner’s Kadazan Dictionary after it was opened for discussion since 29th January, 2010 published in this blog has drawn more than 60 comments with mixed reactions. All of them have been received and posted. None was rejected.

2) To all intents and purposes, I posted the article with the objective of seeking the opinions of those concerned with regard to the Beginner’s Kadazandusun Dictionary in which, in page 14 where ‘Bangsa’ or races have been classified, the ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’ indigenous races have been omitted and, in their places, ‘Kadazadusun’ is printed instead.

3) But invariably the comments developed into e-debate or e-forum format during the course of commentaries and discussions. This augers well to discuss the term ‘Kadazandusun’ as well to deliberate the intended meaning of the said term, be it to unify the two ethnic groups of Kadazan and Dusun, or otherwise.

4) As what one commentator said on February 9, 2010 1:46 PM ) the generic name of ‘Kadazandusun’ was first introduced at the 5th KCA Delegate Conference in 1989.

5) Another Commentator said “KCA leaders had on 05/11/1989 introduced the term "Kadazandusun" at the annual congress of delegates. It has since come to be known as KDCA.” – Anonymous: February 2, 2010 10:51 PM

6) Hence, there are two subject matters to be addressed and deliberated here:

a) To include the Kadazan and Dusun ethnic races to replace the term ‘Kadazandusun’ in the Beginners Kadazandusun Dictionary;

b) To accept the term either ‘Kadazandusun’ or ‘KadazanDusun’ (capital K and D) as an ethnic race for the Kadazan and Dusun peoples to combine or merge the two under the new acceptable term.

B) Summary.

1) There is a clear indication from the comments posted by participants in the just concluded e-forum and that there is a definite urgent need to rectify the anomaly as highlighted in the blog.

2) In the course of the debate, the term ‘Kadazandusun’ was invariably brought up and expounded as to its intended meaning when it was first coined. Despite the fact that Tan Sri Herman Luping has already clarified in his book titled, “THE KADAZANDUSUNS” that the said term is only used as a tag line to refer the Kadazan and Dusun peoples as a group, but yet there are still some people who choose to believe and support the said term as an indigenous race.

3) Some of the commentators who participated in the e-forum have clearly indicated that there is nothing more despicable than to be an accomplice to the initiators and/or propagators of the said term. Those commentators who firmly believe and uphold their ethnic races as Kadazan and Dusun, take exemptions from this group.

4) The e-forum has attracted more than 60 commentators and who advocate ‘for or against’ the term ‘Kadazandusun’ by giving their ‘No Holds Barred’ or ‘without fear or favour’ comments. Perhaps they are emboldened to make their comments in such a manner under the protection of anonymity. Some, however, have identified themselves by signing off their names genuinely, or at least stamped their initials at the end of their comments.

5) I am not alluding here that those comments posted by ‘Anonymous’ are considered not genuine – far from it. In fact I appreciate all the participants for their sincere and invaluable comments, be they anonymous or known people. Those who prefered to remain anonymous might have reasons to protect their anonymity, but surely they have no intention whatoever to slander or run down anyone, much less with malice or enmity towards one another.

6) As a moderator, I can only make a concluding remark that they have every legitimate intention to express their opinionated statements to help solve our long overdue ‘identity crisis’ since the introduction of the term ‘Kadazandusun’.

7) More so when it is classified as an ethnic race in the ‘Beginner’s Kadazandusun Dictionary’ while the ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’ ethnic races have been completely omitted from the list of ‘Bangsa, Race or Tinaru’.

C) Commentaries

1) For the purpose of easier moderation and for the readers to read, I have divided the commentaries (truncated) into two groups. Group (A) – Pro-Kadazandusun and Group (B) – Against-Kadazandusun.

2) I have reproduced comments received from the proponents, propagators, initiators, etc, of the term ‘Kadazandusun’ which I consider pertinent and important. They need to be addressed and commented sensibly so that we can all come up to a compromised opinion(s) with regard to this contentious term.

3) As I said earlier, I have also selected those pertinent and genuine comments from those who are against the term ‘Kadazandusun’. Those comments that have not been selected are equally pertinent and important.

D) Conclusion

1) The participants from both Kadazan and Dusun indigenous group have expressed their disapproval of the word ‘Kadazandusun’ as a term to replace the two ethnic races of ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’. Their overwhelming responses to retain and preserve their respective identities speak volumes which should be respected by all concerned.

2) In addition to retaining their respective identities, they have also stated that the term ‘Kadazandusun’ should be declassified in the Beginner’s Kadazandusun Dictionary and to be replaced with ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’ as among the indigenous ethnic races in page 14.

3) Proponents of ‘Kadazandusun’ or ‘KadazanDusun’ have equally defended these two terminologies in an effort to unifying the two ethnic peoples of ‘Kadazan’ and ‘Dusun’.

4) Based on the opinions and arguments generated from the two groups, one can now form their opinions and recommendations.

5) All Kadazan and Dusun communities, especially those who have participated in the e-forum are, once again, invited to make their final recommendation(s) whether:

a) To include the Kadazan and Dusun ethnic races to replace the term ‘Kadazandusun’ in the Beginners Kadazandusun Dictionary; OR

b) To accept the term either ‘Kadazandusun’ or ‘KadazanDusun’ (capital K and D) as ethnic race for the Kadazan and Dusun peoples to combine or merge the two under the new acceptable term;

c) Any other recommendation.

6) It is most appreciated if you can please submit your recommendations by signing your name at the bottom together with, but necessarily, your e-mail address.

7) For those who wish to remain anonymous they may submit their recommendations to my email address at sjdisimon@gmail.com. Their identities and email addresses will be treated with the strictest confidence, unless with their expressed consent.

8) I reserve the right to publish those comments and/or recommendations with slanderous, malicious, frivolous, defamatory, and/or libelous remarks.

CLICK HERE TO READ THOSE TRUNCATED AND MODERATED COMMENTS FROM GROUP ‘A’ AND ‘B’.

24 comments:

  1. Tobpinai SJD.

    I have been following your blog on the issue and I can safely surmise that majority of our brethen would prefer Kadazan or Dusun. On this premise, the term Kadazan & Dusun should be included in the Beginner's Kadazandusun dictionary. Kadazandusun is never a race and should never be recognized as one. Everyone knew that it was created for political expediency.

    I am also of the view that the teaching of the language is based on its originality i.e. Kadazan or Dusun. It has long been practised in the RTM where we have pangaan Kadazan om Dusun. No problem with that.

    Therefore, I go for your item 1 above. Kotohuadan. DJJ

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  2. My views:-

    Propose to adopt both category (a) race / ethnic origin and (b) indigenous group.

    Race / ethnic origin: Means to maintain Kadazan & Dusun & others as a distinct race or ethnicity especially with regards to the uniqueness in each other's language, culture, etc.

    "Indigenous group" to use a common group identity eg Kadazandusun if it can result in unity, development & progress to us.

    Note: Malaysia population census carried out every 10 years sometime May - July 2010. During this period, census officers would call at every household for the purpose of interviewing and obtaining detailed data Basically thus information is obtained by the Government to shape Government policy, from time to time as the benefit and uplifting of the standard of the people of Malaysia. Refer to web link in the p/s below. Other races/ethic groups are also having similar situation to us in Sabah.

    Thanks.

    http://enkatesulujuval.blogspot.com/2009/06/telugu-population-census.html

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  3. Suggest Kadasun (pronounced kada . . . sun (as in sun) . . .

    JF

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  4. Datuk Verus A. ShamFebruary 14, 2010 at 4:30 PM

    "FOOD FOR THOUGHT" from DV

    CHINA is a big country. It is a homogeneous country. It comprises of many ethnic communities from different Provinces (Cantonese, Hokkien, Hakka etc. etc.etc.) from different parts of China. And, they all call themselves Chinese.

    MALAYSIA is a small country. It is a multi-racial country. It also comprises of many ethnic communities (Malay, Dusun, Iban, Kadazan, Dayak, Orang Asli etc. etc.) and in addition to that several naturalised communities by virtue of law when Malaysia came into being (Chinese, Indian, etc.) within Malaysia. They all call themselves Malaysians.

    SABAH is a State within Malaysia. Within Sabah, there exist many ethnic and naturalised communities. They all call themselves Sabahans.

    Within Sabahans, there exist several ethnic communities which belong to same or similar root languages, physique, culture and tradition (Dusun, Kadazan, Murut, Runggus, Lotud, Bajau, Brunei etc, etc.) and naturalised communities (Chinese, Indian, etc.).

    The sea and land Bajau are happy to call themselves Bajau. The Chinese are Chniese. And, the Indian Indian.

    So, what is wrong if the ethnic groupings of Dusun, Kadazan, Murut, etc. etc. call themselves as an indigeneous group initially and in due time as a race by the name of "TATANA" (from root words of 'mantad' and 'tana')? This may be more acceptable than 'KADAZAN' OR 'DUSUN'.

    If what we want is unity, real unity, this maybe it! It is up to our ethnic leaders, our local leaders (which invariably include political leaders) and other self-proclaimed 'so-called leaders' to consider, deliberate...... and ultimately decide on A NAME.

    So, please do not rush into balloting by blog by just a few individuals right now.

    Best regards,

    Datuk Verus.

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  5. fgsua@hotmail.com 14 February 2010 15:03 To: "Sylvester J. Disimon" Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Delete | Show original Hi, thank you for sharing your edebate on the Kadazan Dusun subject. Direct to the point ok. Kadazandusun is only exclusive to KDCA to unite all the dusun ethnic based race in Sabah. It is not a word n therefore cannot be considered as a race or bangsa. An association can be named anything as long as it meet its objective. However as far as who we are, to other Malaysian, we are known as Dusun and the word Kadazan is only use by the media and politician in Sabah politics. Make no mistake about it. We all should be known as Dusun only then we can be stronger again to face challenges ahead of us. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.February 14, 2010 at 4:37 PM

    fgsua@hotmail.com 14 February 2010 15:03

    Hi, thank you for sharing your edebate on the Kadazan Dusun subject. Direct to the point ok. Kadazandusun is only exclusive to KDCA to unite all the dusun ethnic based race in Sabah. It is not a word n therefore cannot be considered as a race or bangsa. An association can be named anything as long as it meet its objective.

    However as far as who we are, to other Malaysian, we are known as Dusun and the word Kadazan is only use by the media and politician in Sabah politics.

    Make no mistake about it. We all should be known as Dusun only then we can be stronger again to face challenges ahead of us.
    Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

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  6. I heard, I was told years ago, but I have never verified this myself that:

    MANDARIN was a dialect used by a small Chinese community in China. But, the Chinese leader then (he must have been an Emperor and a wise man) chose Mandarin to be the language to unite the peoples of China. And, he did it successfully. Note: He did not choose Hokkien (a widely used dialect) or else the Cantonese would have objected. Or, vice-versa!

    Similarly, a wise Philippine leader years ago chose TAGALOG (a dialect spoken by a small Filipino community) to be the language for the Filipinos. And, he did it successfully.

    From the benefit of hindsight, our ethnic leaders then should have been smarter/cleverer by choosing a small dialect like TATANA to unite our peoples. There would not have been problems between the Dusuns and the Kadazans then... and now.

    But, it is not too late. Never too late, in my mind if really we want unity, real unity. Our ethnic leaders, our local leaders...could still deliberate on the issue and come up ultimately with a Language which we will all accept and treasure for life.

    What is wrong with finally naming/re-naming the present "kadazandusun" language "TATANA" ? It is really up to all of us, isn't it? What do you think?

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  7. Datuk VAS, thank you very much for your commentsFebruary 14, 2010 6:04 PM.

    Indeed, your above comments are very much relevant in my next e-forum discussion on
    the Kadazandusun language called 'Bunduliwan'.

    Should there be reasons to believe that the present 'BUNDULIWAN' language may need to be reviewed and deliberated further, I am all for it.

    Presently, the 'BUNDULIWAN" language is a Kadazandusun Language being taught in school now, and is basically a language derived from mixing the languages of the two ethnic races from Bundu and Liwan, hence explaining the term 'BUNDULIWAN'.

    As you have said in your earlier comment, it is never too late to make the necessary corrections if there is a need. We can even bring this matter out in the open to e-debate on why 'Bunduliwan' language was adopted (so they say) by tracing the historical background of its adoption, and hence accepted by the Government to be taught in school.

    For a start, readers might be interested to read my blog on this issue at
    http://linundus.blogspot.com/2009/10/weekdays-in-bunduliwan-dialect.html#links

    Meanwhile, let us concentrate on debating on this ethnic race issue which we find it important in determining our correct identity(ies).

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  8. I still am wondering whether there is an actually a need for any 'unity'. There has never been any disunity to begin with other than 'POLITICAL DISUNITY'. It so happened that these politicians who cannot see eye to eye politically happens to be either a Kadazan or a Dusun. So any disunity is purely a 'political one'.

    Why can't we just mantain both languages and teach them to our children? Must we be so 'kancong' and be led by the 'imagination or a race disunity' as propagated by the Politician who wants to continue their perks and their Stooges who needs c'mon be honest 'The Money!'. That is all.

    So, China is China and Philippines is Phillipines. They had their share of 'Clan' disunity and China managed to do it right but that being after 5000 years of clan fights. Phillipines on the other ... even till today, is provincially disunitied. Politicians and religion did it to them.

    Sabah, there is no racial disunity at all!!! Get it in your head!!!

    Preserve our respective dialects after all we, are eithe Kadazans or Dusuns.

    Why do we need to create a 'Mandarin' like language? Bunduliwan or any other language serves no one but politicians and some academicians driven purely for monetary gains researches blah blah blah!

    We should be proud of our race and put in "kadazan" and "Dusun" into all dictionaries.

    We should also stop creating new languages but preserve and find out new terminology for our respective languages. Do not create a new one.

    Someday, history will judge the 'evils' that were created by these politicians and their macais. You can always find money elsewhere ... not neccessary by creating new academic text but by preserving what we already have and improving the same.

    Some people have said that Malays are racist and what have you. At least the Malays have found a common ground and that is Religion.

    Should we not be better than the Malays since we are so diversified in language and religion but are united. Throw away the Politicians and get the right thinking ones and you might just be suprised that the Kadazan and Dusun have never ever had any problems or disunity. The Kadazan and Dusun at large understands this but it does not help when the media and social PR are exclusive to these "politicians and their Macais".

    So Language to be preserved for each respective Race.

    And Identity of the Kadazan and Dusun to be accorded the respect it deserves.

    KenJay

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  9. Thanks for sharing your thought.

    I think KadazanDusun per se should only be used to term us as whole as one political entity in Sabah.

    Whilst if a person is born Kadazan, it by right his or her birth certificate should be written as such. The same goes to those born Dusun. We are all but the same - we're just 'different'in racial name only.

    Thanks,

    Noelle

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  10. To me there is no difference between Dusun and Kadazan. It is just a dialectical difference. When I meet my Penampang friends, they speak and reply to me in their dialect and I speak and reply to them in my Ranau dialect. Similarly, when I meet dusun rungus they speak and reply to me in their dialect and I speak and reply to them in my Ranau dialect as well. So much talk on the Dusun or Kadazan. I don't give a damn. We are brothers and sisters. It is the politicians and some narrow minded guys who should examine their brains!

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  11. Stop all this nonsense...
    KADAZAN IS KADAZAN & DUSUN IS DUSUN.. We are of the same stock..Don't create another nonsense..as the Politician do.. I totally agree with you bro. Anonymous

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  12. SENANG SAJA..KALAU KITA KADAZAN BE PROUD OF BEING A KADAZAN.. IF YOUR DUSUN BE PROUD IF YOUR DUSUN..LIKE THE MURUTS & RUNGUS..

    kdca SHOULD MAKE A STRONG STAND ON THE SUBJECT..IF THEY CANNOT RESOLVE THIS I SUGGEST THEY CHANGE kdca BACK TO KCA..PROMOTED EACH CULTURE LIKE KADAZAN, DUSUN, MURUT, RUNGUS ETC.. SO NO MORE CONFUSIONS!!!
    I'M KADAZAN AN WILL ALWAYS BE..TO THOSE WHO RUN DOWN TUN FUAD FOR MAKING HIS STAND.. HE WAS A BETTER MAN.. FOR HAVING THE GUTS TO UNITED THE PEOPLE AND NOT LIKE THOSE POLITICIAN AFTER HIM..YOU KNOW WHO IM REFFERING TOO..

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  13. I refer to "Dusun would cease to matter without acceptable legal definition" published by the Daily Express Sunday Forum on 1st August 2004 by Democratic Dusun.

    Allow me to share some of his views with slight additional points from me which are quite relevant on this e-debate.

    The Dusuns and the Kadazans will come to accept the simple truth that UNKO, PBS, UPKO, PBRS, KDCA and KSS do not possess the all important locus standi, i.e., the authority to define or to change the definition of the Dusun and the Kadazan race or to determine the direction of Dusun and Kadazan culture.

    If the Dusun and Kadazan wanted to change racial nomenclatures, mere political resolution or incorporation into the articles of an association would not legally suffice.

    He must move the Legislative Assembly to change the law so that the new definition would become legal and unquestionably apply to all Dusuns and Kadazans irrespective of politics or dialect.

    If the Dusuns and Kadazans were to depend on political expediency or the articles of an association to determine our race, our identity or the direction of our culture, as we do today, what would become of us?

    Now, we are so confused we do not even know what to call ourselves. Neither do our neighbours! Imagine this daily conversation and you will realize how much the modern Dusun and Kadazan are psychologically traumatized because we fail to understand and carelessly overlook simple legal matters.

    "What race are you, oh?"
    "I am KadazanDusun, with a capital D!"
    "You not Dusun, Kah?"
    "No! My mother is, though."
    "How come?"
    "It says so on her birth certificate."
    "Your father?"
    "Same as my mother."
    "Yours, leh?"
    "Mine, it says Kadazan."
    "How come like that, oh?"
    "I also don't know! Something to do with UNKO and KDCA."
    "Your cousin says she is KDM!!"

    Since PBS, UPKO or PBRS or KDCA or KSS do not have the locus standi, do not have legal or cultural authority over the Dusun and Kadazan, then where shall the Dusun and Kadazan look for legal and cultural guidance? Who shall we depend upon to determine Dusun and Kadazan law, adat, culture and language?

    If Malaysian Law did not define the Dusun and Kadazan race, then we would simply cease to exist as a legal and cultural entity in Malaysia. Without a single acceptable legal definition the Dusun and Kadazan would cease to matter. That's why we cannot find our race in any Govt.official form but only "lain-lain" with dotted lines.

    I also concurred his view that lacking legitimacy, the Huguan Siou is powerless, a head without a legitimate body. It is recommended that we attach the head to the body and beef it up - legalize the whole thing so Dusun and Kadazan allegiance becomes legal.

    If we persisted in creating false cultural icons instead, we will only succeed in putting the head in a false light. We will eventually cheapen the highest office in Dusun and Kadazan society!

    The modern Dusun and Kadazan challenge lies not in unity but in putting the Dusun and Kadazan legal house in order, from the top down to the bottom! At the moment it is upside down.

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  14. Kadazan and Dusun should replace the Kadazandusun.. if combining the term Kadazan and Dusun is the best alternative (to unify)for new acceptable term, I would prefer Kadazan(d) or Kadazand.. Kadazan were Dusun before but since the process of turning the Dusun to Kadazan was unsuccessful lets try another method by putting 'd' at the end of the 'Kadazan' which resembling and reminding us that we are all Dusun by ancestor..

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  15. I come from a 'dusun' (orchard/village) but I am not a 'dusun'; rather I own it and work it (to be exact, God owns it and I am just a steward of it)

    The Bible says that when God created the first human, He called him "Adam - אדם i.e. a human being (in my Mother tongue "KADAZAN") and he put him in charge of a 'dusun' where "Satan", through the woman, led him to disobey God. Satan overcame him and took over what God had entrusted to him, i.e. dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.He also lost his immortality for one of God's universal law is "the wages of sin is death".

    And to celebrate this 'victory' and as a reminder to Adam (Kadazan) that Satan was his 'Tuhan' he changed his name to "Dusun" (Orchard) and implanted it within his heart and mind, and that of his generation to come, that he, and his future generation, is no more "Adam (Kadazan) - the son of God" but "Dusun" - D(evil)'s son or rather 'slaves'.



    Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: (So Satan wants us to think in our heart that we are no more children/son of God - Kadazan but Dusun; that is his deceptive strategy to dominate and control us, directly or indirectly)



    But the 2nd Adam, the Anointed Savior (Jesus Christ), who became the Sacrificial Lamb (Huminundun) as an atonement (bohi) for Kadazan's sins, had already paid the ONCE FOR ALL SACRIFICE on the Cross at CALVARY when he declared, with His nailed arms outstretched on the Cross, "IT IS FINISHED" When we do the Sumazau with a "Keeehoi" we should be reminding Satan and his human alliances on earth that "IT IS FINISHED" because Jesus Christ had paid everything for us. When UNKO was established, the message from our ABBA FATHER was "tuhUN-KO" om okon ko kouvaan(Dusun)-ko, bavang (Sungei)-ko, hivan(Liwan)-ko,etc



    So who am I? I AM A KADAZAN - CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND PICTURE OF GOD (KINOINGAN), FELL INTO SINS BUT BY GOD'S GRACE IN OUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST (Second Adam), WE HAVE BEEN SAVED AND BEING RESTORED TO THE POSITION THAT WAS INTENDED FOR US - CO-HEIRS AND CO-RULERS WITH JESUS CHRIST IN ETERNITY.



    If you say, I am a dusun or anything less, I will definitely say, "Devil, IN JESUS NAME, GO TO HELL I AM A KADAZAN - SON OF THE LIVING GOD. JESUS IS MY BOSS NOW!" MARANATHA!



    All praise and Glory to Jesus Christ!

    EBA

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  16. EB Augustine,

    You are talking "cock", simply nonsense. Don't mix religion in this e-forum please.

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  17. Dear Sylvester,
    The whole debate over our racial name and or identity just goes to show how enamoured we humans are with our cherished labels. But, young though we may be as a racial group, we all know that the meaning of words evolve and that language can indeed change very quickly. In our case the changes have been so tremendous and rapid even in our own lifetime that I doubt anyone of us would be able to hold a conversation with an ancestor from the 15th century in the dusun language or kadazan dialect that we know today. We know this to be true because today the bobohizan rants in an ancient language that nobody can remotely understand.

    Unless someone can prove me wrong that's how the world is so I think on that account that it is rather pointless to take anything too seriously.

    The key issue is the law governing all of us. If the law of our country does not have a definition (label) of us then it follows that legally we don't exist. If no one can find us in the the law books or statutes of our own country then surely we will be bypassed and forgotten.

    As far as I know at the present time we are very well defined in Malaysian law as dusun and not by any other name. We have this identity. But it would seem to me that we are trying our utmost to argue ourselves out of the present legal definition.The politicians are to blame for this but I say let us not succeed at our own peril.

    If we are truly ashamed to be defined as a dusun and wants to possess a more respectable moniker(or so we think anyway), then we have to agitate the politicians so that the changes to the existing law can be made.

    In the meantime it's best to hold the tongue.

    Regards, JL

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  18. I beg to differ this statement, "we are very well defined in Malaysian law as dusun and not by any other name" by JL on March 2, 2010 10:22 PM.

    Where is it in the Malaysian Law that we (Kadazan or Dusun) are defined as dusun or defined as such in the legal definition? I am interested to know from my learned friend.

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  19. Gundohing SJD,

    With reference to your survey poll, you forgot to include the other term KadazanDusun with the capital 'D' or Kadazan Dusun with the capital 'D' with space in-between K D.

    The nearest Malaysian Law that defined Dusun can be found in Article 153 of the Federal Constitution and the Cobbold Commission Report 1962 - Interpretation (Definition of Native) Ordinance of North Borneo (see Appendix D).

    Happy hunting. FYI, I'm not JL.

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  20. Gundohing SJD,

    I got some information regarding Malaysian Law that nearest defined Dusuns for your benefit.

    The drafter of the Federal Constitution chose to use 'native' to refer the heterogenous Indigenous people of the States of Sarawak and Sabah. It can be found Article 161 A, Clause 6.

    Article 161 A, Clause 7 states that the races to be treated for the purposes of the definition of 'natives' in Clause 6 as indigenous to Sarawak ... also include Dusuns, Muruts and Kadayans.

    Surprisingly, in Sabah case, there is no enumeration of the native groups in the Constitution. Under Section 2(1) of the Interpretation (Definition of Native) Ordinance No. 12 of 1952 (Cap.64) 'Native' refers to persons Indigenous to the Colony and ordinarily resident.

    Refering to Sarawakian Mr Ramy Bulan 'Native Statute and the Law' in Wui Min Aun (ed), 'Public Law In Contemporary Malaysia (1999) page 248, he argued that there are number of ommission and incorrect insertions in Article 161 A Clause 6... Dusuns are not generally found in Sarawak but in Sabah.

    In spite of that, my point here is Dusuns is mentioned in Article 161 A Clause 6 in the Federal Constitution, the ultimate Malaysian Law.

    FYI, I'm not JL.

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  21. Article 161a

    161A. (1), (2) and (3) (Repealed).

    (4) The Constitutions of the States of Sabah and Sarawak may make provision corresponding (with the necessary modifications) to Article 153.

    (5) Article 89 shall not apply to the State of Sabah or Sarawak, and Article 8 shall not invalidate or prohibit any provision of State law in the State of Sabah or Sarawak for the reservation of land for natives of the State or for alienation to them, or for giving them preferential treatment as regards the alienation of land by the State.

    (6) In this Article "native" means-

    (a) in relation. to Sarawak, a person who is a citizen and either belongs to one of the races specified in Clause (7) as indigenous to the State or is of mixed blood deriving exclusively from those races; and

    (b) in relation to Sabah, a person who is a citizen, is the child or grandchild of a person of a race indigenous to Sabah, and was born (whether on or after Malaysia Day or not) either in Sabah or to a father domiciled in Sabah at the time of the birth.

    (7) The races to be treated for the purposes of the definition of "native" in Clause (6) as indigenous to Sarawak are the Bukitans, Bisayahs, Dusuns, Sea Dayaks, Land Dayaks, Kadayans, Kalabit, Kayans, Kenyags (Including Sabups and Sipengs), Kajangs (including Sekapans,. Kejamans, Lahanans, Punans, Tanjongs dan Kanowits), Lugats, Lisums, Malays, Melanos, Muruts, Penans, Sians, Tagals, Tabuns and Ukits.

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  22. 161A.(7) was refering as indigenous to Sarawak and is not suite as a reference for Sabah, thus, written article on clauses should not be assumed as a justification to support the merely theory.. as we are talking about the (existence of) Kadazan and Dusun and not about 'amendment' of article.

    talking about ashame to be defined as Dusun is not an issue, I am a Kadazan.. please dont belittle the Dusun I'm proud of them..

    I am the fruit of the Kadazan tree, I dont agree to be adopted as my 'Kadazan' is still alive and will live forever.. God will not punish us for being Kadazan or protecting Kadazan and I beleive this is His gift.. but changing them without their will is guilt..

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  23. The problem with us Kadazan is, irrespective of what religion or belief system we belong to, knowingly or unknowingly many of us are in the payroll of the "Devil" : this is called 'DECEPTION' (only the Resurrection Power of Jesus Christ can get us out of this) and can't blame them for not knowing the difference between 'spirituality' and 'religion' because they are trapped in a 'time zone or mental mold'
    If one believes that there is a 'Superior Being' who created the Universe and beyond and is responsible for its sustenance, our natural inclination must be to get to know this Being (who comes from outside the "time domain" and had revealed Himself to Man (Kadazan) as "The Great I AM" "El-him" In our distorted understanding, His name is "Kinoingan" from the rootwoord "Ngaan" or "HaShem - a common term used by the Jews to refer to YHWH.
    Distorted, I said, because only the Jews had the "LOGOS" - the Written Word of God (given to them on tablets of Stone on Mt.Sinai on Feast of Weeks or Shavuot. The Kadazan (actually the term refers to the spirit man, the soul is 'Koduduvo' and the body - kimaragang from the word 'aragang' or red/adam/humus)got their revelation from the Bobohizan (rootword - bohi) who had, in time past memorized them and handed them from generation to generation and was not written down resulting in the defilement from 'demonic revelations'
    Quoted below is just an axample with regard to the origin of the term "Kadazan"

    "Tott oi Boisan, Bahazi,
    Ada oku intukao,
    Nobobou oku pom sandak,
    Noguom oku pom dazang;
    Ada oku ih intukao,
    Iiih nobobou oku ih,
    Noguom oku ih kio.

    Logon: " Tott oi Boisan, Bahazi,
    Koiho kodo monondikot.
    Aanom ko monanhaboi,
    tondu Tanga'a ko toi,
    Tu kisinakai do baahon,
    Kinudan do tuvakon,
    Kisinakai do hinava,
    Kinudan do dadai? "

    Gina gina naku,
    Om kisinakai do baahon,
    Tuvakon, hinava, dadai,
    Tondu Kadazan zou ih,
    Kimokudian kio:"

    Religion you said, I don't believe in religion (because religion cannot save the fallen human race) and I don't have one but I believe in this Superior Being, the Creator and Master of Universe and is soon returning to be the King of kings, Lord of lords and the Judge of all time when He physically sits and rule on this planet Earth; and His name is "Boos do Kinoingan nadadi do Kadazan, Mononobus Nouuma'an (Jesus Christ) Kotohuadan.
    EBA

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  24. After reading all the comments I tend to agree with th person advocating TATANA as aterm for all. It sounds nice, romantic and one of ours.I'm a Dusun and so is my wife but my children are Kadazan, we are ok. Obviously we must make sacrifices if we were to put the term right for we cannot be arguing about this for the rest of our life !

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